Comments on: The Battle To Keep Ancient Egypt Black http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/ alternative views, news & information—online, video and print Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:34:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John Grunwell http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-73565 John Grunwell Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:29:00 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-73565  ...and you're obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that's what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, "Black" is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person "Black".is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a "Russian."  Second, if you read closely, you'd have seen that I totally concede that Egypt's ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as "Black."  Third, you obviously don't know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish. Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It's easy to imagine that's precisely what ancient Egyptians "looked like," i.e. like the very same people who've been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who'd call themselves "Black?"  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol' US of A, because it's almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   .   …and you’re obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that’s what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, “Black” is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person “Black”.is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a “Russian.”  Second, if you read closely, you’d have seen that I totally concede that Egypt’s ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as “Black.”  Third, you obviously don’t know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish.

Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It’s easy to imagine that’s precisely what ancient Egyptians “looked like,” i.e. like the very same people who’ve been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who’d call themselves “Black?”  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol’ US of A, because it’s almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   . 

]]> By: John Grunwell http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-73566 John Grunwell Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:29:00 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-73566  ...and you're obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that's what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, "Black" is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person "Black".is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a "Russian."  Second, if you read closely, you'd have seen that I totally concede that Egypt's ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as "Black."  Third, you obviously don't know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish. Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It's easy to imagine that's precisely what ancient Egyptians "looked like," i.e. like the very same people who've been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who'd call themselves "Black?"  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol' US of A, because it's almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   .   …and you’re obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that’s what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, “Black” is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person “Black”.is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a “Russian.”  Second, if you read closely, you’d have seen that I totally concede that Egypt’s ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as “Black.”  Third, you obviously don’t know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish.

Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It’s easy to imagine that’s precisely what ancient Egyptians “looked like,” i.e. like the very same people who’ve been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who’d call themselves “Black?”  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol’ US of A, because it’s almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   . 

]]> By: John Grunwell http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-73567 John Grunwell Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:29:00 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-73567  ...and you're obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that's what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, "Black" is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person "Black".is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a "Russian."  Second, if you read closely, you'd have seen that I totally concede that Egypt's ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as "Black."  Third, you obviously don't know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish. Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It's easy to imagine that's precisely what ancient Egyptians "looked like," i.e. like the very same people who've been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who'd call themselves "Black?"  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol' US of A, because it's almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   .   …and you’re obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that’s what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, “Black” is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person “Black”.is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a “Russian.”  Second, if you read closely, you’d have seen that I totally concede that Egypt’s ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as “Black.”  Third, you obviously don’t know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish.

Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It’s easy to imagine that’s precisely what ancient Egyptians “looked like,” i.e. like the very same people who’ve been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who’d call themselves “Black?”  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol’ US of A, because it’s almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   . 

]]> By: John Grunwell http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-73568 John Grunwell Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:29:00 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-73568  ...and you're obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that's what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, "Black" is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person "Black".is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a "Russian."  Second, if you read closely, you'd have seen that I totally concede that Egypt's ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as "Black."  Third, you obviously don't know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish. Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It's easy to imagine that's precisely what ancient Egyptians "looked like," i.e. like the very same people who've been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who'd call themselves "Black?"  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol' US of A, because it's almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   .   …and you’re obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that’s what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, “Black” is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person “Black”.is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a “Russian.”  Second, if you read closely, you’d have seen that I totally concede that Egypt’s ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as “Black.”  Third, you obviously don’t know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish.

Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It’s easy to imagine that’s precisely what ancient Egyptians “looked like,” i.e. like the very same people who’ve been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who’d call themselves “Black?”  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol’ US of A, because it’s almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   . 

]]> By: John Grunwell http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-73569 John Grunwell Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:29:00 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-73569  ...and you're obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that's what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, "Black" is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person "Black".is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a "Russian."  Second, if you read closely, you'd have seen that I totally concede that Egypt's ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as "Black."  Third, you obviously don't know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish. Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It's easy to imagine that's precisely what ancient Egyptians "looked like," i.e. like the very same people who've been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who'd call themselves "Black?"  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol' US of A, because it's almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   .   …and you’re obviously an ignorant fool, or at least that’s what I can be lead to believe based on what you wrote.  First of all, “Black” is a modern-day social construction; to call an ancient person “Black”.is akin to calling a person living on the Kamchatka Peninsula 4000 years ago a “Russian.”  Second, if you read closely, you’d have seen that I totally concede that Egypt’s ancient population was comprised of people with many different appearances, among them folks who could be construed, in modern terminology, as “Black.”  Third, you obviously don’t know anything about rhetoric, as you simply attack me, versus debating my contentions with actual information.  It just makes you look foolish.

Have you seen what folks in nearby Yemen and Saudi Arabia look like?  It’s easy to imagine that’s precisely what ancient Egyptians “looked like,” i.e. like the very same people who’ve been living in those regions of Afro-Asia for millennia.  Are there folks in those regions who’d call themselves “Black?”  Not unless they came from Europe or the the good ol’ US of A, because it’s almost entirely a Western-derived notion.  Idiot.   . 

]]> By: Bloiic http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-73556 Bloiic Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:28:00 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-73556 Wow the writer of this article was right europeans will just never accept that black africans dominated the ancient world.... Wow the writer of this article was right europeans will just never accept that black africans dominated the ancient world….

]]> By: Mike http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-586 Mike Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:17:21 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-586 Being of full Coptic ancestry, reading Afrocentric revisionism makes me cringe; but what the hell, I'm biased. Definitely agree with John -- it's a cookie-cutter approach to a more complex issue [apparently a North African ethnic group isn't considered, only "Europe, Greece, and Rome" vs Black Africa]. Being of full Coptic ancestry, reading Afrocentric revisionism makes me cringe; but what the hell, I'm biased. Definitely agree with John — it's a cookie-cutter approach to a more complex issue [apparently a North African ethnic group isn't considered, only "Europe, Greece, and Rome" vs Black Africa].

]]> By: Mike http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-34483 Mike Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:17:00 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-34483 Being of full Coptic ancestry, reading Afrocentric revisionism makes me cringe; but what the hell, I'm biased. Definitely agree with John -- it's a cookie-cutter approach to a more complex issue [apparently a North African ethnic group isn't considered, only "Europe, Greece, and Rome" vs Black Africa]. Being of full Coptic ancestry, reading Afrocentric revisionism makes me cringe; but what the hell, I’m biased. Definitely agree with John — it’s a cookie-cutter approach to a more complex issue [apparently a North African ethnic group isn't considered, only "Europe, Greece, and Rome" vs Black Africa].

]]> By: sororyzbl http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-298 sororyzbl Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:12:17 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-298 Paul obviously doesn't know anything about such esoteric things as "the sun" and "melanin" either. I've been to egypt, there are no "snow white" people there, except perhaps a tourist on their first day. Pretty much any redhead in egypt all those thousands of years ago would have had a melanoma and died pretty quickly. It's HOT there. There's lots of sun, and not a lot of clouds, and that means not a lot of crackers. Of course, his boneheaded statement is only as equally boneheaded as the belief that they were all "black" (whatever that means). The Nubians were, absolutely, but the original egyptians were largely semitic peoples, same as the folks that are there now, and there was much breeding between the various groups of folks in the area. Egypt was a crossroads for both the semitic folks of the middle east and the "classical" africans. <br><br>I do think it's funny how most of the black egyptophiles tend to picture Cleopatra as a nubian princess though. Now *that* is showing ignorance of history. Paul obviously doesn't know anything about such esoteric things as “the sun” and “melanin” either. I've been to egypt, there are no “snow white” people there, except perhaps a tourist on their first day. Pretty much any redhead in egypt all those thousands of years ago would have had a melanoma and died pretty quickly. It's HOT there. There's lots of sun, and not a lot of clouds, and that means not a lot of crackers. Of course, his boneheaded statement is only as equally boneheaded as the belief that they were all “black” (whatever that means). The Nubians were, absolutely, but the original egyptians were largely semitic peoples, same as the folks that are there now, and there was much breeding between the various groups of folks in the area. Egypt was a crossroads for both the semitic folks of the middle east and the “classical” africans.

I do think it's funny how most of the black egyptophiles tend to picture Cleopatra as a nubian princess though. Now *that* is showing ignorance of history.

]]> By: Name http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-204 Name Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:22:55 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-204 Another imbecile that knows nothing about ancient Egypt. Suffer and die in your ignorance buffoon... Another imbecile that knows nothing about ancient Egypt. Suffer and die in your ignorance buffoon…

]]> By: voxmagi http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-193 voxmagi Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:44:03 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-193 Looks more like an angry clique of fringe scholars furious over not having their tiny brand of revisionism respected...which isnt likely to happen anytime soon, since most of the DNA work and serious anthropological/archeological scholarship done in the last 50 years stands in stark contrast to their premise. That some of the ancient Egyptian leadership were of Nubian ancestrey is certain and beyond doubt...but to state that all of them were is ridiculous and shows political motivation instead of serious scientific inquiry. Looks more like an angry clique of fringe scholars furious over not having their tiny brand of revisionism respected…which isnt likely to happen anytime soon, since most of the DNA work and serious anthropological/archeological scholarship done in the last 50 years stands in stark contrast to their premise. That some of the ancient Egyptian leadership were of Nubian ancestrey is certain and beyond doubt…but to state that all of them were is ridiculous and shows political motivation instead of serious scientific inquiry.

]]> By: Paul http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-152 Paul Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:02:17 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-152 Ha ha, The creators of the pyramids were as white as the driven snow. They even have red headed and blonde early mummies of pharoahs. What a joke. these people are desperate to attach themselves to something of greatness Ha ha, The creators of the pyramids were as white as the driven snow. They even have red headed and blonde early mummies of pharoahs. What a joke. these people are desperate to attach themselves to something of greatness

]]> By: John Grunwell http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-131 John Grunwell Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:55:53 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-131 I think it's interesting to note that many, many, many folks in Sudan (upper Egypt/Sudan and such), Eritrea, Somalia and so on consider themselves *Arab*. Afrocentric folks' intense focus on the idea of so-called 'Black Egyptians' is easy to understand, but definitely covers the ancient world with a glossy filter of our contemporary worldviews. The Middle East/North Africa/Mediterranean has been a hotbed of human civilization for untold millennia, and the populace reflect thousands of years of different ethnic groups coming together and doin' the wild thang. There were certainly "Black" Egyptians, commoners and pharoahs alike, but just as well there were people Americans would label Arabs, or who would self-identify in any number of ways that don't include "Black." I have a friend who is Egyptian and Coptic, and who is so classical Egyptian in appearance that folks told her, when she visited Egypt as a young woman, that she looked positively "pharoahnic." Sorry to report: not by any stretch of the imagination would anyone in the world consider her "Black." The Egyptians were Egyptian, an amalgam of people living at the crossroads of Asia and Africa, and they look the part. I think it's interesting to note that many, many, many folks in Sudan (upper Egypt/Sudan and such), Eritrea, Somalia and so on consider themselves *Arab*. Afrocentric folks' intense focus on the idea of so-called 'Black Egyptians' is easy to understand, but definitely covers the ancient world with a glossy filter of our contemporary worldviews. The Middle East/North Africa/Mediterranean has been a hotbed of human civilization for untold millennia, and the populace reflect thousands of years of different ethnic groups coming together and doin' the wild thang. There were certainly “Black” Egyptians, commoners and pharoahs alike, but just as well there were people Americans would label Arabs, or who would self-identify in any number of ways that don't include “Black.” I have a friend who is Egyptian and Coptic, and who is so classical Egyptian in appearance that folks told her, when she visited Egypt as a young woman, that she looked positively “pharoahnic.” Sorry to report: not by any stretch of the imagination would anyone in the world consider her “Black.” The Egyptians were Egyptian, an amalgam of people living at the crossroads of Asia and Africa, and they look the part.

]]> By: kyle http://www.disinfo.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/comment-page-1/#comment-48 kyle Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:34:01 +0000 http://disinfo50.terabolic.com/2008/04/the-battle-to-keep-ancient-egypt-black/#comment-48 Go find out about the WUSHAN man and tell me the oldest humans came from Africa 100 and whatever thousand years ago. The information that is being passed around on our side of the internet totally contradicts what the Chinese have found. Go find out about the WUSHAN man and tell me the oldest humans came from Africa 100 and whatever thousand years ago. The information that is being passed around on our side of the internet totally contradicts what the Chinese have found.

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