Yes, but you are using it as a support for your claims, are you not? And again, you have continued to evade any of the logical questions that have come up. Cutting and pasting what you've already written in the essay does nothing to answer them.

That's the sound I make when someone goes off on an unrelated tangent after failing to provide any corroborating evidence for a pile of bullshit they just posted.

I can't speak for him but it looks like he thinks there is some kind of game where the Elite, Illuminati or whaterever you want to call them, are trying to weaken the Earth by making us consumers (not destroy it, a nuclear war would destroy it) in order to get immortality in a new world order. Henry Kissinger's famous quote “Useless Eaters” seem to fit his hypothesis.

A Particularly Ominous Sign (53 minutes ago)

Posted By: rds2301 <Send E-Mail>
Date: Saturday, 24-Oct-2009 18:31:09

[I apologize for the informality of this post]

Has anyone else noticed the Nuclear War hysteria has just about fallen off the radar screen?

Is it my imagination or was the “unthinkable” and stories like the one at Pakalert “Escalation Scenarios: The Third World War and Its Aftermath” everywhere until the beginning of October…when they faded into the background and Swine Flu returned with a vengeance.

WASHINGTON (53 minutes ago) – President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, giving his health chief the power to let hospitals move emergency rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect noninfected patients.

Believe it or not this is a bad sign: A world nuclear war that involves most or all nuclear powers releasing a large proportion of their nuclear weapons at targets in nuclear, and perhaps non-nuclear, states was a BLUFF.

The book of revelation the greatest piece of propoganda ever written describes what happens when the TPTB win the game, it’s called Armageddon, and there is no nuclear war in valley of Megiddo:

This great slaughter of the Antichrist and his armies will take place in and around the valley of Megiddo near Haifa in Israel. It will mark the end of man's cruel rule on earth (you mean the cruel rule that gave the west the highest standard of living so we could trash the planet), as Jesus, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and His Heavenly forces (TPTB) forcibly take over the World to rule and reign and run it the way it should have been run if man had not disobeyed God (lived in disharmony with the earth) and gone his own selfish way!

And so begins a period known as the New World Order (Millennium), a thousand years of peace and plenty and paradise on Earth for The House of Rothschild, the Bilderbergers, the CFR and other secret societies in other words the elite TPTB.

The number 200 million is mentioned in Revelation 9:16. This number is expressed in the Greek as 'two myriads of myriads' or in numeric form, 'two 10,000 of 10,000'. The 200 million is a number applied to the number of horsemen which cross the Euphrates and kill a third of mankind.

Rev 9:16 does not describe a nuclear event and neither does Albert Pike because a nuclear event makes the planet uninhabitable for the one world governors as well as their slaves.

If TPTB have abandoned a nuclear strategy and returned to the FLU this is not a good sign.

Will follow up on this post later, I need time to do some more research.
This is actually A Particularly Ominous GOOD Sign

Posted By: rds2301 <Send E-Mail>
Date: Saturday, 24-Oct-2009 23:39:57

In Response To: A Particularly Ominous Sign (53 minutes ago) (rds2301)

If I am correct and TPTB had to BLUFF with the threat of a Nuclear Event then

Sometime between October of 2008 and October of 2009 TPTB determined they had LOST the struggele to take over the Earth and had to BLUFF.

Keep in mind The game is not Over.

Let's figure out what we did before that worked and resume that behavior or create the positive energy to help the Earth WIN!

And yes it's related (according to me) to “The Most Important Issue in the History of the Universe”
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?...

Warning: Reading the following may be hazardous to your mental health. The material herein has caused readers to experience Cognitive Dissonance (CD). CD is the discomfort felt at the discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation that contradicts a strongly held belief system – It’s that queasy feeling that rises in your gut and screams, I DON’T BELIEVE THAT! Because, if you accepted the new information, you would have to admit you been ”had,” or ”conned,” in this case into shopping for stuff to trash the planet.

While I am having trouble with some of Mr. Singer’s conclusions, I can’t find any fault with his research.

Could some of these comments be the result of cognitive dissonance

Warning: Reading the following may be hazardous to your mental health. The material herein has caused readers to experience Cognitive Dissonance (CD). CD is the discomfort felt at the discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation that contradicts a strongly held belief system – It’s that queasy feeling that rises in your gut and screams, I DON’T BELIEVE THAT! Because, if you accepted the new information, you would have to admit you been ”had,” or ”conned,” in this case into shopping for stuff to trash the planet.

While I am having trouble with some of Mr. Singer’s conclusions, I can’t find any fault with his research.

Could some of these comments be the result of cognitive dissonance

When you say “outrageous claims” I think you are referring to the following:
1. If you were living in the 18th century looking for humans to consume the resources of the planet where would you find them?

Answer: 95-97percent of the population of Feudal Society. The “Third Estate” had potential consumers but first they would need to be “enlightened” with a philosophy and movement based on respect for the dignity of man, concern for his welfare, and the creation of favorable conditions for a just social life.

2. According to one source in the late 1800s, when the planet was still in ecological balance, “it was estimated the House of Rothschild controlled almost half the wealth of the world” [6] That would be real wealth: raw materials, commodities, copper, iron ore, petroleum, lead, copper, silver and gold.

How much are they worth today?

Almost half of the world’s fiat wealth about $500 trillion of the fiat currency (monopoly money) they created out of thin air to finance our consumer society. [7]

And their real wealth, where is it now?

Used up, as in consumed, by the middle class so former members of the Third Estate (serfs and slaves) could have houses, cars, RVs, TVs and DVDs—the affordable things we take for granted which put the planet on the bridge to Ecocide.

One of the more absurd notions that found its way into the history books and the writings of economic experts, is that somehow the International Bankers (swindlers and scoundrels of history) were made wealthier accumulating the monopoly money they printed.

The swindlers and scoundrels wealth, not yours or mine, was eventually “cut, mined and hauled away,” so that Americans could have that cheap stuff that is currently “trashing the planet”.

3. Did Woodrow Wilson “ruin his country” when he signed The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and made the middle class prosperous beyond precedent in the most powerful nation in the world?

Yes, because prosperous beyond precedent was unprecedented environmental damage for the planet.

Capitalism never made sense unless the goal was ecocide.

The ideal and the principle of the market economy of Capitalism was never fulfilled.

What is called capitalism is a distorted, twisted and deformed system of increasingly limited market relationships as well as market processes hampered and repressed by state controls and regulations. And overlaying this entire system are the ideologies of 18th-century mercantilism, 19th-century socialism, and 20th-century welfare statism.

Professor Ebeling, the Ludwig von Mises professor of Economics at Hillsdale College, understood something was wrong when he wrote: “the perverse development and evolution of historical capitalism, the institutions necessary for a truly free-market economy have been either undermined or prevented from emerging.”

But when he claimed, “it is the principles and the meaning of a free-market economy that must be rediscovered” in order to overcome the burden of historical capitalism and save liberty, He should have written principles must be rediscovered in order to save the planet from ecocide.

It didn’t matter if we listened to Keynes, Friedman or Mises; or for that matter anyone from the Rothschild-funded Austrian School of Economics, consumerism never made economic, environmental, or common sense. [8]

Even conscious consumers consume, as in use up the resources of the planet.

Revolution

The American and French Revolutions made consumers out of 97% of the population who could now afford, thanks to those scoundrels behind the Federal Reserve, their own castle with all the furnishings and a two-car garage for their mobile pollution devices – the personal automobile. [9]

Let me repeat, since 1910 the House of Rothschild and the Rockefellers have exchanged their real wealth for 600 trillion of fiat currency (monopoly money) they printed so former members of the Third Estate (serfs and slaves) could have houses, cars, RVs, TVs and DVDs—the “stuff” which put the planet on the bridge to Ecocide.

The only thing dumber is when a poor person in the People’s Republic of China loans about $4,000 to everyone in the (rich) USA. [10]

Rockefeller philanthropy wasn’t limited to dimes.
[END of "Outrageous Claims"]

My conclusions are based on the research in my article and the footnotes.

If you have any information to the contrary please let me know.

I have nothing to add to my credentials or qualifications.

Thank you

Tell you what–I'll agree to disagree, even though I'm not disagreeing with you so much as asking for some clarification on ANY the outrageous claims you're making, if you provide your credentials and qualifications beyond being an “entrepreneur” and writing articles on the internet.

And I didn't take your clue out of context. There was precious little context for it to begin with. If I've misinterpreted it by all means provide illumination.

“Either of these events would get us started on a slow, but orderly road to a population of slaves. New World order conspiracy theorists expect a depopulation event to eliminate 5 billion useless eaters.”

Out of context.

Let's agree to disagree.

Thanks

Your answer to “why” was a quote from an earlier piece by you: “Either of these events would get us started on a slow, but orderly road to a population of slaves. New World order conspiracy theorists expect a depopulation event to eliminate 5 billion useless eaters.”

Aside from the fact that there is no mention made to the events that would get us started on a slow but orderly road to a population of slaves (even though, during the timeframe you've mentioned, the slave trade was still going very strong), you've made reference to nameless New World Order conspiracy theorists. Ignoring the fact that they are nameless, thus credential-less and not at all accountable for whatever ridiculous ideas they've given you, for what reason are we to take them seriously? They are not a reputable source for accurate information.

If the quote is leading to where I think it is leading (by all means, please correct me if I've missed it), the environmental damage will lead to the “event” that is supposed to eliminate 5 billion “useless eaters”. This environmental damage is a direct result of the Rothschilds creating a middle class whose purpose was to consume and consume and consume resources until the environment is depleted.

So. Environmental catastrophe, or just resource depletion, cuts the world population by 5 billion to roughly 1.7 billion (assuming it happens tomorrow). The population of the world in the 18th century was less than 900 million. There are several reasons for the jump in population, a major one being the industrial revolution, for which the Rothschilds are responsible (so they claim). So they INCREASE the world's population, orchestrate events on a scale so vast as to be nigh unimaginable, even going so far as to control the effing weather, so that they can DECREASE it 300 years later? Decrease it to a number that is still almost a BILLION people larger than it was when they started the whole goddam plot?

How does that make any sense?

And that doesn't answer any of the questions about them supposedly controlling the weather. Nor does it address the fact that the depletion of vital resources leaves everyone, including the ruling elite, in a shitty situation.

As noted earlier: all the problems you've mentioned can be, and have been, shown to be caused by mundane, everyday problems that have plagued humanity long before the Rothschilds showed up–Greed, Ignorance, Shortsighted-ness. The thing about conspiracies, as noted earlier, is that they will always be there if you look for them. It looks more and more like you're making signal out of noise, connecting raindrops on a window to make a picture.

And for the final questions: who are you? What are your qualifications? What are your credentials? What have you done besides write articles on the internet? Privacy is a valuable thing, certainly, but if you want people to take you seriously you ought to divulge something to let us know you're not one of the million conspiracy cranks polluting the internet (including, regrettably, Disinfo).

“The French Revolution will only be the darkness of night to those who see it in isolation; only the times which preceded it will give the light to illuminate it.” The whole social edifice of Ancien Regime France collapsed at a single blow, and the fact that this was in the midst of one of the worst El Niño episodes of the millennium is something that should be taken into account when examining this history.”, de Tocqueville 1952, p. 249

[4] El Niño and mankind before the 20th century by ELinacre,

August 25, 1814, British troops captured the nation’s capital during the War of 1812, setting fire to buildings in retaliation for American wins. A tornado struck as the government buildings burned, killing 30 soldiers and many local residents. One British historian noted, “More British soldiers were killed and wounded by this stroke of nature than from all the firearms the American troops had mustered in the ineffectual defense of the city.” The account in “Washington Weather” tells of a British admiral who asked a local woman whether the storm was typical of the weather “in this infernal country.” The lady told him that it was a storm specially sent by God “to drive our enemies from the city.” September 11, 1814 the decisive battle of the War of 1812.

Readers are entitled to draw their own conclusions.

According to one source in the late 1800s, when the planet was still in ecological balance, “it was estimated the House of Rothschild controlled almost half the wealth of the world” [6]

That would be real wealth: raw materials, commodities, copper, iron ore, petroleum, lead, copper, silver and gold.

How much are they worth today?

Almost half of the world’s fiat wealth about $500 trillion of the fiat currency (monopoly money) they created out of thin air to finance our consumer society. [7]

And their real wealth, where is it now?

Used up, as in consumed, by the middle class so former members of the Third Estate (serfs and slaves) could have houses, cars, RVs, TVs and DVDs—the affordable things we take for granted which put the planet on the bridge to Ecocide.

One of the more absurd notions that found its way into the history books and the writings of economic experts, is that somehow the International Bankers (swindlers and scoundrels of history) were made wealthier accumulating the monopoly money they printed.

The swindlers and scoundrels wealth, not yours or mine, was eventually “cut, mined and hauled away,” so that Americans could have that cheap stuff that is currently “trashing the planet”.

By 1850 America had built their own industrial revolutions around textiles so there was a great demand for the one crop that does more damage to the environment than planting coffee or tobacco… cotton.

Multiple Choice Question: Why Cotton?

1. Cotton in the 1700’s was rare: Whilst the writers of antiquity, both sacred and profane, abound in allusions to clothing made of wool, flax and hemp, there are scarcely a dozen sentences to be found in the whole body of Greek and Latin literature, and not one in Hebrew, referring to cotton.
2. Cotton fibers are three-quarters of an inch while other fiber bundles are up to fifteen feet long, which gives other fibers for example Hemp eight times the tensile strength and four times the durability of cotton.
3. Thanks to technology Cotton is adapted to a wide range of uses, it spins easily, and the environmental costs of cotton cultivation are enormous.
4. Cotton is grown on 3% of the earths best arable land and uses a whopping 26% of the worlds pesticides.
5. Cotton requires heavy irrigation and consumes more than 7% of the fertilizer used annually.

And the award for the pesticide king goes to Cotton.

When the British looked around in the 1700’s for fibers to build their textile industry they decided not to use Hemp.

Multiple Choice Question: Why not Hemp?

1. Cotton in the 1700’s was rare: Whilst the writers of antiquity, both sacred and profane, abound in allusions to clothing made of wool, flax and hemp, there are scarcely a dozen sentences to be found in the whole body of Greek and Latin literature, and not one in Hebrew, referring to cotton.
2. Cotton fibers are three-quarters of an inch while other fiber bundles are up to fifteen feet long, which gives other fibers for example Hemp eight times the tensile strength and four times the durability of cotton.
3. There are no environmental costs of Hemp.
4. Hemp does NOT use a whopping 26% of the worlds pesticides.
5. Hemp does NOT require heavy irrigation and does NOT consume more than 7% of the fertilizer used annually.

“With few insect enemies and little competition from weeds, hemp is a much better candidate than cotton to produce a high quality, sustainable and organcially grown fiber.”.

Today, our planet is in desperate trouble. Pollution, poisons and chemicals are killing people a great number of these problems could have been avoided if the textile industry hadn’t “suddenly” discovered Cotton. “Much of the groundwater tested in agricultural regions around the world has been contaminated by runoff from pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers. Already 15,000 lakes in the United States are so contaminated that nothing can live in them.”

And the award for the pesticide king goes to Cotton.

Hemp would get the award for the Most environmentally friendly plant of all time.

Planting Hemp actually restores damaged soil.

And in one of those confusing contradictions in colonial America you could be jailed for refusing to grow hemp because until the 1920's, Hemp was a major crop supplying the world with its main supply of food and fiber (80% of clothing was made from Hemp).

And before you contemplate the cotton industry wanted to protect their profits think again, there was no cotton industry in 1850. And finally for those under the spell of the DEA and believe Hemp is Marijuana, the US government has acknowledged that Industrial Hemp and marijuana are not the same plant. And forget marijuana growers trying to hide their plants in hemp fields. THC types of Cannabis. High THC (”narcotic, “drug” or “marijuana”) Cannabis and low THC (”high CBD,” “fiber,” “industrial,” “hemp”) Cannabis readily cross pollinate. The offspring tend toward characteristics intermediate between the parents. Nobody wants them.

They're “good for nothing.”

I think Kai meant to write: Ecocide, What benefit does it bring to them?

Excellent question and there is an answer but I will need to post a few more articles before the answer will make sense . Thank you for your patience.

In the interim, here is a clue and a quote from an earlier article:

“Either of these events would get us started on a slow, but orderly road to a population of slaves.
New World order conspiracy theorists expect a depopulation event to eliminate 5 billion useless eaters.”

And, to cover previous ground, even if they were so far-sighted to have factored into their plans all these things that NO PERSON EVER could have possibly factored in, they would have seen that completely destroying the planet would also mean wiping them out, and would have then said, “Gee, that wouldn't be too good an idea,” shrugged, and then scrapped that plan.

What I don't understand is, besides the question of “why” (noted above), is the notion that because you've drawn together all these exaggerated ideas into a large conspiracy, and having noted the impact of man on the enviroment, you automatically connect the two as intended cause-and-effect. “Things do not happen, they are made to happen”. Yes, but that quote is used just as often by the religious, where it makes about as much sense. There is no need of a centuries-old conspiracy to explain the degredation of our enviroment. The greed and shortsighted-ness leading to over-consumption in the western world is apparent in daily life. Of course, if you look for a conspiracy you're always going to find it, whether it's there or not.

Let's keep one thing in mind: no one in their right mind is worried about the planet Earth. Earth has survived worse enviroments than any we could fashion. The planet is going to be okay, what enviromentalists are worried about is us. Everyone. The planet isn't in trouble, everyone living on it is (which is an important distinction). Which includes the Rothschilds, unless the Illuminati has given them space-traveling technology, in which case I'll look like an ass.