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	<title>Comments on: California Science Center Sued Over Documentary Attacking Evolution</title>
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		<title>By: Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4992</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even a GW Bush appointed, conservative, federal juge, (self proclaimed born again Christian), Ruled in the Dover Pa trail that ID is nothing more than creationism and is not science. He also said the DI people were fundamentally dishonest. &lt;br&gt;Judge Jones said... &lt;br&gt;&quot;The proper application of both the endorsement and Lemon tests to the facts of this case makes it abundantly clear that the Board&#039;s ID Policy violates the Establishment Clause. In making this determination, we have addressed the seminal question of whether ID is science. We have concluded that it is not, and moreover that ID cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents. [...] &lt;br&gt;The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. With that said, we do not question that many of the leading advocates of ID have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors. Nor do we controvert that ID should continue to be studied, debated, and discussed. As stated, our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom.&quot; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;The DI and ID people are all going to he11 because they continue to knowingly lie,&lt;br&gt;breaking one of God’s 10 commandments. They also keep offering the false choice of God or Science, when in fact there are more Christians who except evolution than there are atheists.  DI and ID are far right extremist who prey on the ignorance on science,   of the American public. &lt;br&gt;We should always point that out whenever they lie/speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even a GW Bush appointed, conservative, federal juge, (self proclaimed born again Christian), Ruled in the Dover Pa trail that ID is nothing more than creationism and is not science. He also said the DI people were fundamentally dishonest. <br />Judge Jones said&#8230; <br />&#8220;The proper application of both the endorsement and Lemon tests to the facts of this case makes it abundantly clear that the Board&#39;s ID Policy violates the Establishment Clause. In making this determination, we have addressed the seminal question of whether ID is science. We have concluded that it is not, and moreover that ID cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents. [...] <br />The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. With that said, we do not question that many of the leading advocates of ID have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors. Nor do we controvert that ID should continue to be studied, debated, and discussed. As stated, our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom.&#8221; </p>
<p>The DI and ID people are all going to he11 because they continue to knowingly lie,<br />breaking one of God’s 10 commandments. They also keep offering the false choice of God or Science, when in fact there are more Christians who except evolution than there are atheists.  DI and ID are far right extremist who prey on the ignorance on science,   of the American public. <br />We should always point that out whenever they lie/speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Word Eater</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4771</link>
		<dc:creator>Word Eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I&#039;m a Christian, too, but I&#039;m not a dick about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Calling someone an &quot;evolutionist&quot; is to take a single facet of science and make it someone&#039;s label.  Why not call me a newton&#039;s-third-law-ist since I believe, in my heart, that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are against macro-evolution (which is what I assume, since modern Christians have no issue with micro-evolution) because of the lack of fossil evidence or lack of certified transitional forms, that&#039;s cool.  I can live with that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are against macro-evolution because a book told you to be against it (which it didn&#039;t unless you read it to the &lt;i&gt;exclusion&lt;/i&gt; of anything not present), then you are still allowed to believe whatever you want without persecution.  If you are right, you will be vindicated by The Lord God and don&#039;t need to stoop to the level of common troll just to make a point.  Keep your faith and, in gentleness, share it.  You will be rewarded on Judgment Day.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nobody is asking you to look upon sin and call it good.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are being asked to understand that people don&#039;t &quot;believe&quot; in evolution because they have faith; people believe in evolution because they understand that evidence can lend itself to certain interpretations of facts and under this, evolution makes more sense than not-evolution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In 100 years, evolution may be a distant memory and some other theory that we can&#039;t even imagine will be in vogue.  I doubt it, but maybe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Bible will still be The Bible and will remain unchanged.  Words written in ancient languages for ancient cultures with the baggage of tradition and prejudiced that become increasingly foreign as time marches on.  Only our interpretation and understanding of The Word can change.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;People used to use God&#039;s Word to justify polygamy, slavery, and the subjugation of women.  We no longer &lt;i&gt;interpret&lt;/i&gt; it as such.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just try to imagine what the next generation of linguists and anthropologists who study the Bible will discover buried in the same text that has remained mostly unchanged for over a thousand years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I&#39;m a Christian, too, but I&#39;m not a dick about it.</p>
<p>Calling someone an &#8220;evolutionist&#8221; is to take a single facet of science and make it someone&#39;s label.  Why not call me a newton&#39;s-third-law-ist since I believe, in my heart, that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction?</p>
<p>If you are against macro-evolution (which is what I assume, since modern Christians have no issue with micro-evolution) because of the lack of fossil evidence or lack of certified transitional forms, that&#39;s cool.  I can live with that.</p>
<p>If you are against macro-evolution because a book told you to be against it (which it didn&#39;t unless you read it to the <i>exclusion</i> of anything not present), then you are still allowed to believe whatever you want without persecution.  If you are right, you will be vindicated by The Lord God and don&#39;t need to stoop to the level of common troll just to make a point.  Keep your faith and, in gentleness, share it.  You will be rewarded on Judgment Day.</p>
<p>Nobody is asking you to look upon sin and call it good.</p>
<p>You are being asked to understand that people don&#39;t &#8220;believe&#8221; in evolution because they have faith; people believe in evolution because they understand that evidence can lend itself to certain interpretations of facts and under this, evolution makes more sense than not-evolution.</p>
<p>In 100 years, evolution may be a distant memory and some other theory that we can&#39;t even imagine will be in vogue.  I doubt it, but maybe.</p>
<p>The Bible will still be The Bible and will remain unchanged.  Words written in ancient languages for ancient cultures with the baggage of tradition and prejudiced that become increasingly foreign as time marches on.  Only our interpretation and understanding of The Word can change.</p>
<p>People used to use God&#39;s Word to justify polygamy, slavery, and the subjugation of women.  We no longer <i>interpret</i> it as such.</p>
<p>Just try to imagine what the next generation of linguists and anthropologists who study the Bible will discover buried in the same text that has remained mostly unchanged for over a thousand years.</p>
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		<title>By: Word Eater</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4772</link>
		<dc:creator>Word Eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Christian apologists concede that Darwin&#039;s death bed conversion is just an urban legend with no evidence that he ever turned his life over to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Christian apologists concede that Darwin&#39;s death bed conversion is just an urban legend with no evidence that he ever turned his life over to God.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4769</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahahaaaaa...  only problem for those on earth who choose to reject their Creator is having to face their Creator in judgment. today is mercy, grace, and salvation; tomorrow is judgment.  in this case, no stooping to my level involved since all, myself included, will be rising to the occasion of acknowledging Jesus as Lord and Savior.  it will be a wonderful time for all Christians, but a very sober time for all evolutionists and all who have cast their lot with the unwise.  who are the unwise?  our Creator says the &quot;beginning&quot; of wisdom is acknowledging ones Creator and if one is wise enough to acknowledge his Creator, then he knows evolution is just a lie for those who have chosen to be deceived.  i have no fight in the evolution deception because the truth is we&#039;re all Created.  it&#039;s so obvious only a fool would think otherwise.  and our Creator just happens to have said in the Bible that the fool has said in his heart there is no God.  evolutionists play the fool to a destructive end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahaaaaa&#8230;  only problem for those on earth who choose to reject their Creator is having to face their Creator in judgment. today is mercy, grace, and salvation; tomorrow is judgment.  in this case, no stooping to my level involved since all, myself included, will be rising to the occasion of acknowledging Jesus as Lord and Savior.  it will be a wonderful time for all Christians, but a very sober time for all evolutionists and all who have cast their lot with the unwise.  who are the unwise?  our Creator says the &#8220;beginning&#8221; of wisdom is acknowledging ones Creator and if one is wise enough to acknowledge his Creator, then he knows evolution is just a lie for those who have chosen to be deceived.  i have no fight in the evolution deception because the truth is we&#39;re all Created.  it&#39;s so obvious only a fool would think otherwise.  and our Creator just happens to have said in the Bible that the fool has said in his heart there is no God.  evolutionists play the fool to a destructive end.</p>
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		<title>By: santosfabian</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4770</link>
		<dc:creator>santosfabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didnt Darwin die believing in a God?</description>
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		<title>By: Belcat</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4757</link>
		<dc:creator>Belcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the comment from Robert, I feel like saying &quot;Who cares about religious dogma?  Even if they win the court case, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s all completely nonsensical dogma.&quot;  But that would be stooping to his level.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s obvious these guys were going for show, because otherwise they would have rented some other place.  Private institutions are not required to rent out spaces to everyone, so it is perfectly their right to refuse.  I wish I could say such a video would spark intelligent debate about the subject, but more likely it will just be used to fuel the fire that there is no evolution, religion is the only thing, so I can&#039;t go for freedom of speech of any kind here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the comment from Robert, I feel like saying &#8220;Who cares about religious dogma?  Even if they win the court case, doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s all completely nonsensical dogma.&#8221;  But that would be stooping to his level.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s obvious these guys were going for show, because otherwise they would have rented some other place.  Private institutions are not required to rent out spaces to everyone, so it is perfectly their right to refuse.  I wish I could say such a video would spark intelligent debate about the subject, but more likely it will just be used to fuel the fire that there is no evolution, religion is the only thing, so I can&#39;t go for freedom of speech of any kind here.</p>
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		<title>By: Word Eater</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4756</link>
		<dc:creator>Word Eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a film called &quot;Santa vs the Snowman&quot; in IMAX at a science museum.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that means the museum wholly endorses the idea of sentient snowmen waging a war against a magical elf who lives at the north pole and gives presents to all good little boys and girls.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was relieved when the snowman and Santa reconciled their differences without loss of life or loss of gifts.  Indeed, what would Christmas be without Santa&#039;s sleigh flying through the sky carried by nine reindeer!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was cool because they had AT-ST walkers that looked like igloos on legs.  I&#039;m going to save my money and buy one of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a film called &#8220;Santa vs the Snowman&#8221; in IMAX at a science museum.</p>
<p>I believe that means the museum wholly endorses the idea of sentient snowmen waging a war against a magical elf who lives at the north pole and gives presents to all good little boys and girls.</p>
<p>I was relieved when the snowman and Santa reconciled their differences without loss of life or loss of gifts.  Indeed, what would Christmas be without Santa&#39;s sleigh flying through the sky carried by nine reindeer!</p>
<p>It was cool because they had AT-ST walkers that looked like igloos on legs.  I&#39;m going to save my money and buy one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.disinfo.com/2009/12/california-science-center-sued-over-documentary-attacking-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-4749</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who cares what the evolutionists think.  if the court case cleans the pig, will the pig then stay clean?  waste of time if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares what the evolutionists think.  if the court case cleans the pig, will the pig then stay clean?  waste of time if you ask me.</p>
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