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Hey Religious Believers, Where’s Your Evidence?

Posted by Raymond on December 4, 2009

From Alternet:

What evidence do religious believers have for their beliefs?

And when they’re asked what evidence they have, how do believers respond?

In my conversations with religious believers, I’ll often ask, “Why do you think God or the supernatural exists? What makes you think this is true? What evidence do you have for this belief?” Partly I’m just curious; I want to know why people believe what they do. Plus, I think it’s a valid question: it’s certainly one I’d ask about any other claim or opinion. And if I’m wrong about my atheism — if there’s good evidence for religion that I haven’t seen yet — I want to know. I’m game. Show me the money.

But when I ask these questions, I almost never get a straight answer.

What I typically get is a startling assortment of conversational gambits deflecting the question.

I get excuses for why believers shouldn’t have to provide evidence. Vague references to other people who supposedly have evidence, without actually pointing to said evidence. Irrelevant tirades about mean atheists. Venomous anger at how disrespectful and intolerant I am to even ask the question.

Today, I want to chronicle some of these conversational gambits and point out their logical flaws. I want to point out the fiendishly clever ways that they armor religion against the expectation — a completely reasonable expectation, an expectation we have about every other kind of claim — that it back itself up with evidence.

And I want to talk about why believers resort to them.

Whatever You Do, Don’t Show Me the Money

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  • jb

    Guest> who created all this nature?? what being or supernatural force or was this nature eternal ? You denigrate love because you do not have any nor will you try to express any. Your understandings are juvenile. your speech is that of a petulant child. You give nothing, Knownothing and will not admit to yourself that there may be merit in falling on your face and crying out to jesus to give you undestanding . Yo are caught in a prison of pride and anger and the Devil whispers into your ear. Nothing can reach you because you lash out at all attempts. What is even worse for you is reading your stuff i get the impression you enjoy inflicting pain and torment, It gives you a charge when you defeat sloppy logic. No one but God can help you and you refuse to reach out to him.

  • unholy

    To jb: ”All of the people that teach in the synagogues (churches) and on the streets are hypocrites”. – Jesus Christ (said this). ”God is an invisable spirit that cannot be seen by human eyes”. – Jesus Christ said this
      If god is invisable and cannot be seen and you are a human (of which you are) then you cannot see God.

     ”The Nephilim were in the earth in those days and afterwards, the men and heroes of reknown”.

     The Sumarians were on the earth 6000 years before the Egyptians and the Egyptians were here 2000 years before the bible was even written about or thought of in anyones mind therefore the Christianity MYTH does not hold water at all because they believe the earth was created only 6000 years go therefore the dates negate anything that they will tell you or try to make you believe. The Christians do not own the earth and they cannot force you to believe in what is not true in the first place because they were not here at the beginning of time or the creation of the earth. Nothing was here at the biginning of the creation of the earth, so therefore who is this God person anyway because it was not Jesus Christ because Jesus was the SON of God. But God is INVISABLE.
     There is a female mummy that is out there that has been carbon dated to be over 1 Million years old called Lucy therefore humans have been on the earth for over 1 MILLION years not only 6000 years. 

  • shane bessenecker

    making sence!

  • shane bessenecker

    YA buddy, i wanted to say,  that i thought you were on the ball an simular to a speech on ”internet archive”,     check it out, an then once your their, type in Alan Watts and look for the  alan watts called, Jesus an his religion…Or the religion about him?  Which he’s right on the ball — as he’s read all the eastern biooks that were written before the holy bible who’s an experiencer who holds a master’s in theology an a doctrate in divinaty who was also a professor an a preist at one time in britain until he saw what the fuck that was all about, an then he went to the east.– an this great speech he gave, which is his best one on religion an the bible,,as it kinda reminds me of that old saying,  that once you have a very clear understanding on why U don’t believe in the other religions..   then you’ll really have the full understanding on why i don’t believes in yours!  Check it out, an then once your on internet archive.push in the audio of that alan watts who’s kind   of an atheist  an maybe not.. but in some people’s eyes he is.. as he was also a student of comparitive religion an a Zen Philosopher.. so i think he knows what he’s talking about! Check it out people an specially to the person who wrote the statement above an write back if u can.;)

  • shane bessenecker

    I think i agree with u,, as some people have said, that some of them atheist are mentally ill, but that’s one’s opinion, i personaly think that she, he, it, (or whatever you choose to call her exist in all of us, an that we are definetly not seperated from what i choose to call her,, the ”eternal lovelight” that exist deep withinside the hearts and minds of all of us an everything that’s alive on earth.an in the universe an beyond as the divine inspiration is hard to explain but that’s just another possibility.. as i’m extremely open to all of the posabilities..an ya might want to check out that alan watts on internet archive called jesus and his religion.. or the religion about him?  It’s the best one i like..of him. He’ was also a good freind of leary’s whom he learned alot from on the eastern an western religion an philosophy a student of comparitive religion an a great Zen philosopher check it out an then give me your opinion as i’m a free thinker an remember that  these are all just possabilities.. but i thought that leary was the closest to the truth. ;)