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Gay Troops and the Trouble With Polls

Posted by Raymond on February 14, 2010

From The Huffington Post:

Remember the poll taken of enlisted personnel asking them if they felt like invading Iraq? The one that political leaders and military brass used to decide if they should pull the trigger or not? No, because there wasn’t one. Sure, the military takes the temperature of its troops to help ensure that whatever action its top-down command structure orders is carried out as effectively as possible. But only when it comes to the equal treatment of gays and lesbians does our country see fit to dole out rights to an oppressed minority by asking permission of the oppressing majority.

Now comes word that, after nearly two generations of a vibrant gay rights movement, Americans are somehow confused about what a “homosexual” is, throwing already shaky polling data into disarray just at the time when the military prepares to poll its members about how they feel about gay people. Respondents in a New York Times/CBS News poll expressed significantly less support for lifting “don’t ask, don’t tell” when asked if “homosexuals” should be allowed to serve openly than when asked (on the same poll) if “gay men and lesbians” should be allowed to serve openly. Um, what did they think they were saying on the last question which asked the exact same thing but using a different word?

This week’s Quinnipiac poll found similar confusion: 57% of Americans favored letting gays serve openly in the military; but the poll found that roughly the same percentage thought gays should have to restrict “exhibiting” their sexual orientation. Um, what did they think it meant to serve openly in the last question they just answered affirmatively? (Many Americans seem to believe that “openly” gay service does not just mean that gays could speak honestly about their lives just like straight people, but that they would be allowed to sashay through Camp Pendleton in a pink boa, exempt from wearing a military uniform; perhaps a better phrase than “openly gay service” would be “service with equal honesty.”)

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  • tony

    we're not confused about what a homosexual is – it is a perverted, dysfunctional abnormality that needs to be stopped from propagating its agenda to young children in schools.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PDDVWRQVUPMKRGHURIEQVNYWHQ Sean

    so what is this evil gay agenda, i always hear it mentioned, but it's never outlined

  • tony

    What's the gay agenda??? You have Google, don't you?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PDDVWRQVUPMKRGHURIEQVNYWHQ Sean

    i'd like to hear it from you, you sound so wise and scholarly

  • 5by5

    It's a natural part of the spectrum of human sexuality. Not a “dysfunction” or abnormality”. It's totally normal, among MANY species on earth. It's not a “choice”. It's an essential part of who you are born as.

    And the “propaganda in schools” thing? That's hilarious. If you could change human sexual orientation with mere “propaganda” then why aren't all gay people turned straight? Because all the “propaganda” is on the straight side for like 1,500 years, dude…. The truth is they aren't because they can't be “converted” to heteroland, any more than you can be “converted” into being gay.

    What I will say is that researchers did an interesting study a while back about anti-gay attitudes and found something quite fascinating.

    They submitted a group of men to a questionnaire about their attitudes on the issue of homosexuality. Then they wired up these guys with sensors to measure heart rate, sweat, eye movement (and what was going on down in their twigs and berries), and showed them both gay and straight porn images.

    You know what they found out?

    There was a DIRECT CORRELATION between the dudes who were the most homophobic in their responses to the questionnaire, and the guys who were the most TURNED ON by the gay porn images.

    And you can find this manifested in your daily life. The person who is the most adamantly homophobic, nine times out of ten, that's the dude you're gonna see sneaking out of the leather bar at 3am. Overt homophobia and closeted behavior tend to go hand-in-hand.

    Men who are secure in their sexuality could give a happy damn what some other dude does in their private life with a consenting adult. And they certainly aren't so wicked insecure, that they deny someone else their basic rights.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PDDVWRQVUPMKRGHURIEQVNYWHQ Sean

    you mean to tell me there are people infiltrating our society plotting to
    live their lives like everyone else and expect not be assaulted or treated like freaks,
    we have to stop them.

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Who's we? Speak for yourself….
    Please describe all sexual acts that are perverted, since you deem yourself an expert.
    I may not be gay, but I could use a few new perverted ideas to try out…

  • Word Eater

    Those ugly gays have the gall to want to be treated just like everyone else! They want to be guaranteed the same rights and privileges as normal, straight, God-fearing men and women. They want to be able to teach our children, OUR CHILDREN, that being gay isn't a willful and sinful disobedience, but is actually a natural biological state that can't be “cured.”

    Disgusting, isn't it?

  • 5by5

    LOL. Yes, clearly their desire to mind their own damn business and do their jobs is a threat to civil society that cannot be allowed to continue.

  • tonyviner

    You're in the military, huh? I know your kind, I had a friend like you. He was insistent on killing “all the fucking towel-heads. Indian, Hindu, Pakistani, Afghanistani, Iraqi, Buddhist…” You get the point, he was an uneducated buffoon that thought these people were bad because someone told him that they were bad, a scourge that needed to be wiped clean from the earth. And he didn't understand their lifestyle and it scared him, especially the thought of consensual sex with one of the male towel-heads.

  • tonyviner

    Fellating a severed penis is pretty perverted, but since there is no tell-tale sign when it is over, you pretty much just have to guess.

    Butt-sex with a consenting adult is worse, though.

    Performing oral sex on someone that is tied (or nailed, for those of you that are a bit more inclined to take risks) to a cross wearing a Reagan mask.

    Butt-sex with numerous consenting adults is somehow not quite as bad as doing just one dude. Maybe it has to do with the fact that although it is still an abomination, at least these guys likely do not love each other, think of what that would do to our children. Dear God, the children.

  • GoodDoktorBad

    Two words: Cheez Whiz