The Incredibly Tiny Christian Fundamentalist Universe

Posted by bluemana on May 22, 2011

Maybe those 21 May 2011 “End of the World” folks were right, and only their tiny universe disappeared? Jim Walker writes on NoBeliefs.com:

Incredible as it may seem, many Christians today believe that a god created the universe approximately 6000 years ago. That means that everything in it, planets, stars, moons, comets, and even light itself, must have originated at the time (or after) the Great Creation.

Consider that no energy or matter in the universe can travel faster than the speed of light. If you take the speed-of-light back in time 6000 years to the point of the alleged Creation, you get a spherical radius of only around 6000 light-years. This means that a 12,000 diameter light-year bubble represents everything that could possibly happen or exist within the time range of Christian chronology. Consider that the entire Christian universe cannot measure larger than a single average galaxy in the known universe! The miniscule Christian universe would sit as a tiny dwarf within a single galaxy such as the Andromeda galaxy (shown above). Astronomers estimate that hundreds of billions of galaxies exist in the universe. Each of these galaxies could contain hundreds of Christian-sized universes!

And even here I have presented an extremely generous sized Christian universe. In actuality, Dark Aged Christendom held on to only one world. Not a world but the world; not an earth but the Earth. Remember that the Church long held to the belief that the stars revolved around the Earth, the only world they knew. Not until long after Galileo did we demote the earth to just one world among trillions. Once you have our earth orbiting around the sun, it no longer holds a special place in the universe, and we now know our sun exists as a sun, just one among trillions of other suns.

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Sposk

This is kind of an interesting idea, but the logical creationist argument (haha) is that God can create and redshift photons as he sees fit, thus making it seem like they came from distant objects but were really created at the edge of our observable christian universe.
Solaria

A “young universe” doesn’t imply a “small universe”. Creationists are not arguing that it occurred at a “single point”, but rather “everywhere at the same time”. It’s the “Big Bang” that requires time to fill the universe as we see it now, “Creation” could have occurred yesterday.
Anonymous

People don’t cease to be people because they’re a little older. In point of fact, they tend to have more power within their organization if they’re older. Half is half, whether some of them are older or younger. And in the Midwest, the youth believe that same bullshit too, because that’s what they’re being taught.
Anonymous

I think everyone who replied to you missed the part where you said “not saying I believe this crap”. Reading comprehension is such a lost art…
Simiantongue

But if the universe was created at your birth…Then… Oh no!!! We have to make it priority #1 to keep grooveboss alive!!!
atheist person

Man made god, not time.
A fed up Christian Scientist

I’m a Christian and all I know is that the earth was made before our definition of a “day”. Thus, I know the universe was not created in 6 Earth days. the term “day” is relative to the duration a planet takes to rotate on itself. This is not the same on all planets. When God said a “day” I seriously doubt He meant an Earth day. Come one people, God is science. If He said a “day” it was probably relative to where ever He was. He has spent a considerable amount of time enlightening us to the secrets of the universe. We ain’t little kids anymore. The Earth is not flat and the Sun does not rotate around the Earth. Stop hating science because science is Perfect. Our interpretation is the only thing flawed about science. God used science to create the Universe. In the same way, I believe the Bible is perfect, our interpretation is flawed.

Furthermore, let me say something to the idiots that thought the world was ending last weekend. When JC’s homies asked when He was coming back (AKA end of the world), JC Himself said “I don’t know, only God knows.” Yes I believe in the trinity, but enough science has enlighten me to understand that though Jesus was God, Jesus was still a human being and certain things were “withheld” from Him in His human form.

So let me ask this question to the so-called Christians: Do you think yourself wiser than JC Himself? If He says “it [end of the world] will come like a thief in the night” then it does not make sense that we know the actual day. By proclaiming the actual day the world will end you are calling God and JC liars!

God = Science, miracles are like the Easter Bunny, the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. It something you tell kids cuz you think they are too dumb to understand certain concepts. Granted, we are still a young species unable to achieve something as basic as E=mc^2, so there are things we might accept as “miracles”. But once we understand and mature through the study of the phenomena they are no longer miracles.

Are we in the “End of days”, yes; but how long is that process? it has been almost 2,000 years and we are still in it! who knows if it takes another 2,000 ? God used science to create. The more science we know the more we understand that the Big G is simply a highly powerful being with a great sense of humor who is inlove with His creation.

Good night people!
A fed up Christian Scientist

don’t confuse God with the fairy tales those fat, ignorant, illogical dudes have brainwashed billions to believe. they simply state their flawed interpretation. God is the force. Start there. No one can claim there was no beginning. Call the action that started the reaction that led to existence as God. Big bang, evolution, all that can be called God if you believe those things happened. I’m 99% sure they did and I know that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction (thanks to God revealing that to Newton). God can simply be that action that started it all.

and BTW, Man defined time and has rewritten its flawed definition many times. We couldn’t even do the math right for leap years. This is the proper definition of a leap year :
Every year divisible by 4 is a leap year.
But every year divisible by 100 is not a leap year
Unless the year is also divisible by 400, then it is still a leap yearwhat the heck? That sounds like Man made to me. I betcha if aliens came they would make fun of us for that
A fed up Christian Scientist

not really. Those were the bootleg Christians. The roman Catholic Church was founded way after there were Christians around. Those barbarians call themselves that which they were not. However, it seems like they even tricked you.
A fed up Christian Scientist

um, dude, so you have traveled the entire universe and have brought back proof that no alien in the entire universe can create new universes? You sound as closed minded as the Catholic Church.
A fed up Christian Scientist

Indeed!
A fed up Christian Scientist

This article is not crap. Only closed minded people would think of it as crap. God never lied, our interpretation was wrong. However, let us ourselves not be closed minded to the idea that there might be forces and phenomenas that can alter our interpretation of the data we have collected. Anti-time for example.
A fed up Christian Scientist

God never lied. God is science. If science says it took 6 units of time to create the universe and some idiot thinks the unit of time was Earth days then it is not science’s fault.
A fed up Christian Scientist

agreed! Try explaining that in lay man’s terms, lol.
Sfsdfsdfsd

Diameter of our galaxy is 100,000 light years, not 200,000.
Juliaguliaa

i do believe fundamental christian views are very small minded, and that the rapture is not something ‘literally’ that will happen – more of a collective awakening. but i do believe that things can travel faster than the speed of light which is limited to only classical physics. if we approach the quantum realm, things surely travel faster because our consciousness creates the material world, which includes light. the planet can be more mysterious then we realize or give it create for…..and we as humans are a lot more involved in the earth’s creation than we think.
Anonymous

** failure to rupture

How disappointed I am that a much ballyhooed rupture of reality did not happen on 21 May.

Since a typical citizen of xian Ameristan is both a proto-fascist and a fundie know-nothing, I expected to see large tracts of the US mid-west and south depopulated and opened for resettlement by decent human beings.

• Well, xians have been wrong for the last 2,000+ years. Verily JC himself hath said that he would be back in the lifetimes of those who supposedly knew him.

Just before JC’s alleged make-over, transfiguration, “he said to them, ‘Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.’” Mark 9:1 NIV. (See 9:1-3 NIV.)

• JC couldn’t have been lying — let’s hear what apologists have opined about JC’s failure. Nevertheless I live in hope that his fundie “children of darkness” will be taken up and removed forever. Is the “rapture” one day finally going to rid Earth of all fundies? Really?

Let us pray: As they levitate away, can they take with them their damned bibles and filthy tracts?

Come soon JC! I’ll put some shrimp on the barbie for ya’. Amen,

the anti_supernaturalist
http://www.facebook.com/PandaEuthanasia Sam Breaker Bumpas

People who deem other people “idiots” are idiots. You, myself and just about everyone around hold onto their own ideas, many of which make absolutely no sense, and many of which are brilliant. Religious faith as an idea alone does not make any one person stupid; it’s how this person uses their ideas. I think we can all agree that using an idea like religion to shut out the beliefs/non-beliefs of others is dumb. That’s called ignorance. The Christians and other religious people who adhere to such behaviors aren’t alone however. ANYBODY who shuts out the ideas of others is ignorant and dumb. Welcome to the club.
Lincolnbobinkon

Me too, like, maybe, two universes…
Alfred

”People who deem other people “idiots” are idiots.”

Hmmmmm circular logic says…Sam “Idiot” Bumpas… and I am an idiot! Sweet Jesus we are all idiots
Rammus

Just to let you know your God is not the God that created the Universe. Your God only watched as my God made the Universe. Know the true God and quit being a fake Christian!
Daryl Sawatzky

Jim Walker should amend the “many Christians” to “some Christians”. And while we’re pointing fingers, “many” atheists believe in little green men. So what? Not mature enough admit that there are many great unknowns that science will never prove or disprove? I agree that the universe took millions of years to form the way WE measure time. To a timeless being it could have happened in the wave of a “hand”. Atheists who take the bible literally – word for word – are just as bad as Christians who so the same.
The only question you should be asking is this: How are you improving the human condition? If you spend the day online pissing in other people’s porridge, you’re not improving anybody’s condition. You’re just a child throwing mud.
http://www.facebook.com/winterisoverrated Fabian_Ramos

ever heard of the “circle of life” and how each living organism plays their part in it.
No act of God huh?
Me

huh?
Bahc9292

Wow. All I’m reading is how religion is dumb while you are claiming atheism as your religion. That’s really stupid. Find something new to bitch about like the situation in lybia? You all are beating a dead horse because the main people posting are closed minded. I am a Christian but I am also an extremely open minded because what I know and experience is limited. Plus if you think about it, what do I have to lose by believing in God? Nothing if He exists or doesn’t. But what do you have to lose by NOT believing in God? Everything if He exists. That is the most logical way to think about it.
AgreeToDisagree

“Or he could have created the universe as-is in a single instant” This is exactly what my parents believe and what I was taught growing up. They call it the “mature universe” and there is no point in trying to argue logically with people like my parents who have willingly embraced such an illogical concept. But it is a way for them to justify and rationalize all of their other beliefs and it helps them sleep at night in a world that utterly terrifies them. When I go and visit them, we have an agree-to-disagree rule and generally try to avoid such conversations because it is just a waste of time/effort/energy.
Brainmeatjuice

Right, the whole thing depends on saddling the Genesis literalist with the belief that there was a ‘point of Creation.’ But Genesis says nothing of the sort. Yes, there are people (Christian and non-Christian) who believe that the world is about 6,000 years old, and there are people (Christian and non-Christian) who believe that the world came into being from a single point. But they are not usually the same people. It’s interesting to me that many anti-Christians constantly claim to be more intelligent than the people they hate, but they can’t spot a simple sophism like that.
Johnm28

The writer (blueman) may not realise that Einstein rolls over in his grave each 1st of April, giggling. Science and religion have a lot in common; both claim to create something out of nothing (big bang verses creation), both govern and control societies, both attempt to solve unsolvable questions. The differences are religions try to solve the mysteries of life and the spirit while the Scientist shackles himself with the speed of light.
Johnm28

The phrase “multiple universes” exists but ultimately according to my dictionary, “The universe” encompasses all things, if “nothing could be said to exist then it would be included in “The universe”. The English language does allow for “The universe” to be divided into subsets, each being a universe with defined limitations, such as; the universe of planets, the universe of stars, the universe of galaxies, the universe of Muslims, the Universal Church, and the universe of Sodomites to mention a few of the infinite set. Each set may be three or four dimensional and require multiple sets of upper and lower limits in its definition.

To say there are two of “The universe” would be grammatically incorrect and psychologically damaging.
Michael Hardeman

well being literal, yes. The atoms in my body are just as old as the atoms in her body, but i assume that you mean in human years so… no. Time is independent of perception, but perception is the only way for us to percieve the universe. Check out the double slit experiment to see how perception effect the universe.
Johnm28

this is an interesting concept. You age can be determined by carbon dating; does this mean that the carbon atom changes over time and and begins at birth and how come a tooth taken from a four year old musk rat may carbon date at 350 years?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5CP7ED2OJWP2WRKAIRKKWFU6EQ Choice

then who created “god” ?
Padraig

“God=santa claus” this is why christians cannot understand why their children fall from faith, they bring them up to believe in santa and they find out at an early age that he doesn’t exist, so if they can’t believe in santa anymore why should they believe in God, an equally invisible entity
Padraig

class!
Mr Willow

Unless god is Time.
Mr Willow

If you don’t agree with it and it doesn’t affect you? Let it be and make your own.
Apptechnz

- Presumably you also reject the big-bang theory’s “saving” hypothesis of “Inflation” as ludicrous and worth ridiculing? Hand in hand with that you’d be certain that the speed of light is constant and always has been and that the “fine structure constant” is in fact both constant and isotropic. (Google knows).

The incorrectness of any of those assumptions does not tell us especially much about Christianity, but they do demonstrate the paucity of the current “argument”.- Had / have the current universe(s) existed in some form forever? Without loss of intellectual integrity explain how ,in terms that an averagely intelligent person can follow and be happy to believe. OR- Did the current universe(s) come into existence ‘Ex Nihilo”? Explain how this is conceivable by any reasonable feat of human conception, as above.
- In light of our complete inability to form a statistically plausible explanation of abiogenesis, why is not a metaphysical explanation the only one that is intellectually satisfying, no matter how much this may upset our sensibilties and existing paradigms? CF Francis Crick’s [!!!!!!] book “Life itself” where he proposes directed panspermia as a means of explaining terrestial biogenesis Copared to such Santa Claus looks positively solid .

ie Do you want truth or comfortable delusion? It’s easy to rubbish, without even much attempt at detail or fairness, concepts that thoroughly shake up our world view. But failure to admit that there are aspects of the universe which make no sense scientifically and which can not be explained away with intellectual integrity, may leave people “comfortable” but barred from seeking for truth by their own delusions. If people think the universe makes sense they haven’t looked carefully enough. Russell McMahon
Dave DelaGardelle

Adorably cute article in its ignorance, biased uneducated-ness, and blind pride.
Nice try though…

Next time do research. Maybe wake up to the fact that there are thousands of scientists around the world who are Christians, yet believe in a rational form of theistic evolution:
http://www.reasons.org/

Not to mention the fact that scripture itself speaks of the universe as far more vast than most atheistic scientists even do today…
oh the irony…
Dave DelaGardelle

Adorably cute and laughable article in its ignorance, immaturity, and disturbing lack of education.
Nice try though…

Next time maybe do some research and know what your talking about. Acknowledge the fact that there are tens of thousands of respected scientists in the world who are Christians, yet hold a rational view of theistic evolution with a vast understanding of the universe:
http://www.reasons.org/

Not to mention the fact that the Bible itself talks about & acknowledges the vastness of the universe even more than most bitter hilariously narrow minded atheistic scientists talk of it today.

Oh the irony…
Jedi

Try not to mix God with Roman Catholic and human.
Jedi

No, that is what you say. That is not what the Holy word says.
Jedi

I know what you are talking about and part of the dispensations. Rightly dividing the truth-stewardship.
Jedi

I know what you are talking about and part of the dispensations. Rightly dividing the truth-stewardship.
Jedi

I know what you are talking about and part of the dispensations. Rightly dividing the truth-stewardship.
Jedi

Yep, “the way of Cain”.
Jedi

You don’t think for yourself. Satan is in control of the thought atmosphere while one is spirituality dead. If you read the Holy Word as a spirit filled person from the HS, you would understand that.
Jedi

How can one judge when one does not understand? John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” …. Jesus also said, tell of the good news. He NEVER said convert by the sword. Luke 4:43 But he said, “I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.”
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3L6DT5DKLAHNFJTOATAX5WDEEY Laura

Or how some people can’t spell Libya?

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