The Incredibly Tiny Christian Fundamentalist Universe

Just like the dinosaur bones, the universe was clearly created in it’s present state to trick non-believers into a false reality. Any test you can do will fail and only measure the apparent reality, but the true reality you can find in the Biahbul!

The Bible and the Koran both promote a geocentric model of the universe: a flat, stationary earth with seven firmaments above it; the sun, moon and stars suspended and orbiting the earth in the firmaments. The earth is basically the center of the universe.

Recent progress in the field of astronomy has by far discredited the Judeo-Christo-Islamic complex model of the universe. Of course, two of the three religions have attempted to bring back some credibility to their now redundant books: I believe it was Ray Comfort who said the Bible rightfully described the shape of the earth (the verse states “circle” and contradicts another verse mentioning the “four corners of the earth” – might be metaphorical); very similar to recent claims that 79:30 of the Koran depicts the same thing (in the shape of an ostrich’s egg – correct, but a quick check of Pickthall’s and Yusuf Ali’s translation reveals the word in question to mean “spread out”).

If Moses, Yeshua and Mohammed were born in the mid-20th century, say, the books would’ve been surprisingly different.

 This is still wrong. If god created the universe, I’m pretty sure he could break the speed of light. not saying i believe this crap but it’s a stupid article

Well, the early days of most religions look a lot like Wicca looks now. They all start as somewhat lunatic (by their own society’s standards) cults that reflect some value of their age magnified, usually started originally by one very charismatic person or a small group who claim some ancient roots to what they’re doing and call it revealed mysticism when they’ve really just mashed together a few old ideas to create something that is appealing to the part of their followers (and maybe themselves) that wants to feel special and elect and chosen (and make no mistake, all humans have that side). Then it starts to get a little bigger and a little less cultish as more people join and it gains slightly different sects or variants. Then a few more people realize they can gain power, prestige and/or money by using that slightly less cultish version and claiming to be an arbiter between the supernatural agency in question and its followers. This takes a certain amount of conning and deception as most cults start with either the premise that you do not need an arbiter or that the original leader/group is the sole arbiter and anyone who comes after is a false prophet. Once you’ve convinced people of this, you’ve started to create a rigid hierarchical structure and you start getting doctrines designed mostly to retain and support this structure.

In other words, 1000 – 2000 years from now, Wicca and maybe even Scientology will probably look a lot like Christianity or Islam do today.

 I know many Christians who believe in a young universe, and I live in a liberal city. It’s not so much that they’ll challenge a scientist on it, they just opt out of thinking. I grew up in the Christian tradition and still have respect for many of it’s tenets, but those who take the bible literally are mistaking the map for the territory.

 I could go for some serious FUNdamentals right now…

If there was no universe, how were you born?

Well it’s mostly due to the fact that these kinds of articles envision religion as a simple, pathetic entity that is easily disproven, regardless of whether or not they have a very developed theology to answer the questions they pose. Usually these articles are written by people who broke away from the religion because they had questions that were unanswered (the religion might have had an answer but they never asked). Since the author is so emotionally invested, he finds it hard to write an article that could honestly discuss the pitfalls of religion in an intelligent manner and degrades into child like whining of how “stupid” religion is, which doesn’t convince anyone.

why do people like you always spit in the face of science? go get a telescope take a look and then do the math. the universe is bigger than you me the earth and any gods we may imagine. the whole idea that a god created the universe makes me want to bang my head against the wall. come join the rest of us living here in the 21st century. 

always supposing the joining of such a group, but the thing is the group exists because the idea exists,and what do  you do with the idea?

compared to religious fundamentalists, we all look like goddamn geniuses, don’t we.. 

You can justify anything with that argument.  Slippery slope…

The “many” Christians you speak of is still such a small number and an inaccurate one at that. It has been estimated that there are 2.1 billion Christians in the world, but by saying “many” how do you actually define that? And then to define all Christians as being the same is extremely unfair. There are many different denominations which in some cases have very different belief system. I’m not even a Christian, I’m an atheist and I feel that your article is very unfair and in a way, is belittling to the Christian community. People should judge others based on character, not belief system. And just because someone is a quirky fundamentalist, you don’t need to attack them. To each his/her own. Live and let live! I’m sure it’s safe to say that racial over-generalizations and stereotypes are unacceptable, so why shouldn’t religious stereotypes be the same? I agree with you article’s scientific evidence, that is undeniable. But don’t attack someone for thinking differently than you.

 He’s saying that each of us perceives a different universe then anyone else. All we know about the universe is what our brain can gather from our different senses, so our interperation of the universe exists only within our brain. So the universe for him was only created at his birth.

 God = Santa Clause. Think about it, Jedi…

 Why even argue with god idiots???  Think about it all.  There is no other conclusion.  Aduts with imaginary friends are idiots.  Period.

Why is it that every time I see one of these articles every person in it is jumping up every other persons ass?

 Those who take the bible literally are idiots.  They will not think for themselves.

 All christians are fools.  Why would they want their god???  You all know the arguments.  I’m not gonna repeat them. 

This is gonna sound like a funny argument but bear with me here: it’s true, irony of ironies, religion itself does evolve its cosmology over the course of the centuries to give humans a certain divine purpose within said perspective. And as much of a stretch as this is, Scientology and Mormonism are religions with evolved perspectives because they include a more vast view of the universe, including different galaxies and other celestial bodies, whereas old religions like Christianity hold a more geocentric perspective of the cosmos.

Unfortunately that won’t convince fundies at all.  I’ve heard the rebuttal to this many times. The universe was created 6000 years ago with all of the light that we see from millions to billions of light years away being created in place as we see it now by God. They don’t argue that the observable universe isn’t billions of light years in size just that it was created more or less in it’s present form with the all of the electromagnetic spectrum already spread out across the universe as if it had been traveling for billions of years.  You will always loose that argument with fundies because they always have “because God did it”.   

So his mom is just as old as he is?  And are we sure his dad is actually his dad?

 In some places that’s true. In many places in the US, Young Earth is the majority Christian viewpoint. Enough people believe this that the National Parks Service is selling young earth tripe in places like the Grand Canyon. Evolution and climate science tend to take the spotlight in the media when it comes to fundamentalists denying science but there’s just as many young earthers as people who deny evolution, because they tend to be the same people. Anywhere you hear about science teachers being forced to teach creationist bullshit in the classroom, you can assume there’s probably a big push toward teaching young earth “theories” too. That just doesn’t sell newspapers as well so you don’t hear about it as much.

As of December 2010, 40% of US citizens believe in Young Earth Creationism, according to Gallup. Read that again. FORTY percent. Keep in mind that only followers of the Abrahamic faiths are going to be believing that the Abrahamic God created the earth, so YEC is exclusive to the Abrahamic faiths. Considering that Christians, Muslims and Jews combined are just less than 80% of the population, that means that just about half of them believe in a young earth. That’s not “very few Christians.” That’s _half_ of them.

I can tell you from experience they tend to be concentrated in the center and south of the country, so in those areas the percentage is much higher, and rising. This is one reason I left Wisconsin. I couldn’t get away from the stupidity anymore.

 Most of the problems of the world are, and always have been, caused by power. Religion may or may not be involved. Unfortunately, because of the melding of church and state, there is a significant amount of overlap (e.g. the Church of England, Islamic states, the perception of ‘Christian America’, puritan colonies, and Roman Catholic empires).

Would the world be free, truthful, and rational without religion? I suggest you consult the Russians, Chinese, Cambodians, Ukrainians, Tibetans, North Koreans, etc . . .

 Where is the giant spaghetti monster hanging out these days?