Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Documentary

I have written comments on here before siding with the 9-11 truth movement.  I don’t necessarily believe Bush was involved and I don’t have any idea who was or why I just know that what happened that day didn’t happen according to the official report.  It’s not conspiracy, it’s science.  And now I bring you Tuna Ghost who will say the opposite…

I have written comments on here before siding with the 9-11 truth movement.  I don’t necessarily believe Bush was involved and I don’t have any idea who was or why I just know that what happened that day didn’t happen according to the official report.  It’s not conspiracy, it’s science.  And now I bring you Tuna Ghost who will say the opposite…

Every year, the official story for the World Trade Center attacks on September 11, 2001 becomes less and less credible, and that’s by and large because the Bush administration used this stark event to carry out the neoconservative plan of his P.N.A.C. cabinet to wage war in the Middle East to establish the U.S. as the Roman Empire of the 21st century.

Loose Change covered a lot of the architectural aspects of the WTC demolition back in 2006. I haven’t watched the final version yet but it’s online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QukKjwLtI

Three words: Doctor Judy Wood.

oh god I’m so tired

Buddy I don’t think I can do all this again.  This is, what, the third time we’ve done this dance?  And still no one tackles how the “explosives” didn’t make a noise loud enough to show up on any of the recording devices.  No one tackles that one single question, and it is like an icicle in my brain every time.  I just don’t think I’ve got the energy to go through this again, but I’ll enjoy watching you handle it if you’ve got the patience.  

I’m out.  This is a waste of my life.  Truthers are impervious to reason.  Every time you see them claim a new witness, or a new analysis, it’s just the same old tired shit.  Recycled conspiracy theories coming from the mouth of an architect are no more convincing than from their original sources.

Nice straw man.  I don’t hear any of these engineers or architects proffering any conspiracy theories, only scientific observations leading to what they consider scientific theories as to how the buildings collapsed.

Stooping to recommending someone who disagrees with you to go kill themselves?  Wow you’ve really convinced me now of your beliefs.  Whatever you think about Richard Gage still doesn’t address what you consider to be ‘tired old shit’.  Maybe it’s because the ‘tired old shit’ is actually valid and needs to be explored.  And even if you are so dug into your position and will never budge, still doesn’t change the inconsistencies of the official report. 

Thank you Rooti.  Thank you everyone for commenting.  Everyone except team shill (argosy, tuna, albury) 

Why don’t you shove it up your ass and fuck off while doing it?  Oh, and calm down yourself.

And the same old tired bullshit over rationalized pseudo science to fit arguments used against Gage and others have also been pedaled for about as long and are as boring to me as you think truther info is.

So why don’t you stop wasting your breath (although really, isn’t it just typing?) and balow yourself. 

Can’t wait to argue with you again on the anniversary.  See yuh!

Team shill

Huh, that’s actually a comforting thought, that in another ten years we’ll meet here on Disinfo to have the same argument again.  Kinda like a Civil War reenactment!  We should switch sides every ten years just to keep things interesting.  

Yes, obviously the US government is so concerned with a loud minority of retarded jerkoffs to hire people to post on Disinfo for years as undercover shills to argue with aforementioned retarded jerkoffs, whom no one takes seriously anyway.  Yeah, that’s totally not overestimating your importance or anything.  You don’t sound like a self-important douche at all.  

Not at all.  

Those plans could have been advanced with just a simple terrorist strike, though.  I mean, there were literally dozens of groups that wanted to attack the US on a scale like this, why not just let one of them succeed?  It’s far easier and there’s no trail leading back to you.  Plus, you don’t have to involve a hundred dudes whose mouths you have to worry about keeping shut.  That’s how the US government does things overseas, why would it change its tactics to something infinitely more dangerous when operating on its own soil where it is watched much more closely?  It doesn’t make any damn sense, man.

You know, I’m starting to think that Truthers “believe” the conspiracy theories in the same way that fundamentalist Christians “believe” that the Earth is 4,000 years old.  They say the believe it, and they even think they believe it, but when it comes down to it they quite simply do not know what they believe.  The vast majority of fundamentalist Christians, when push comes to shove, use the same scientific reasoning that proves the earth is far older than 4,000 years without batting an eye or even realizing they’re using a line of reasoning that contradicts what they profess to believe.  In the same way, I think Truthers use the same reasoning and science that disproves their claims in their lives all the time without being aware that they’re doing it.  As such, they think they believe something, but in reality they’re just confused about the definition of “belief” and its effects on behavior.  

You Know, I’m starting to think that shills “believe” that the repetitive use of ad hominem attacks and character assassination as a method to attempt to discredit anyone who actually understands the laws of physics, or structural engineering, chemistry, metallurgy, etc. and thus realizes that 9/11 could not have feasibly happened the way the “official” conspiracy theory of the government states is akin to fundamentalist blah blah.  

A is like B so B is A.   Get it through your head people! If I make an illogical analogy it is the same as reality in my anonymous echo chamber!   Anyone who questions the government is incapable of logical thought process because I Tuna Ghost the Anonymous Gormless Shill has stated it a thousand times.  Saying something no matter how untruthful will equal the Truth in my mind once I’ve said it often enough.  Anyone who disagrees with me based on testable experiments/experience in nature is obviously wrong and most likely just as confused as a fundamentalist blah blah blah.

Remember this was spoken by the almighty Tuna/Albury/Argosy the three headed government lap poodle guarding the gates of the official sacred myth of 9/11.  Please someone take me seriously…..

If we compare the actions of 9/11 Truthers to the real activists who tackled another conspiracy, say for instance US involvement in Central America in the 80s, the difference becomes clear.  The US originally denied any involvement in the atrocities that were committed there by “freedom fighters”.  But people did their research, published papers in peer-reviewed journals here and abroad, collected witness reports and found incriminating documents and built a real case.  This is despite the fact that they were in very real danger for doing so.  Many reporters and even clergy members were killed for trying to bring the truth to light.  When they were finished, they gave it to the UN and the Church and other international organizations.  This allowed people like Noam Chomsky to go public here in the US and present it to various Government officials until the truth was impossible to ignore.  Of course there was nothing anybody could have done to prosecute anyone, but it gave the government a black eye when it came to light that the CIA trained and equipped the men responsible for the horrible things that happened in Nicaragua and other places. 

These are the channels real activists go through to effect change.  These channels do not include making and selling DVDs and posting videos on YouTube.  There is a reason why the international community does not take Truthers seriously–they don’t have a case.  There are many, many countries that would love to pin 9/11 on the US government, but they don’t have anything substantial.  Because there is nothing substantial to have.  If Truthers really cared about making changes, they would do the things that would eventually create change.  Again, this does not include making and selling DVDs or posting videos on YouTube or going on The View.  That is what attention-seeking frauds do.  

To my knowledge, there was one article published abroad in peer-reviewed journal, and it was discredited immediately.  By now we all know how the editor, who did not know the article had been published, felt about it (she said it did not belong in a scientific journal because it had little to do with nano-chemistry and had an obvious political agenda, and then she resigned in shame that it had been published under her watch.  This can be backed up very easily, if anyone wants me to.  I can do that because these are facts).  Since then there have been no real studies published in a scientific journal, no evidence brought to the international community’s attention.  But several peer-reviewed journals have done the exact opposite, provided evidence that shows there was no controlled demolition, because they have a real case.  Why can’t Truthers do that?  Truthers claim that the editor of the nano-chemistry journal was influenced by the US government (without any proof to back up that claim, of course), but are they seriously saying that the US is squashing all other attempts?  Is the influence of the US government that strong?  Then why wasn’t it strong enough to squash attempts to reveal the other black shit it has done in the past?  Or maybe, just maybe, people like Richard Gage and Stephen Jones don’t actually want to do the things that would create real change.  Maybe, just maybe, their primary concern is getting attention and being famous.  

To often I hear Truthers say “I don’t care what you tell me, what evidence you provide, I’m not going to believe the official story”.  Truthers have told me that here on Disinfo, for crying out loud.  Is that what someone who is seeking the truth would say?  Truthers ask people to have an open mind when they present their evidence, but where is their open mind when evidence that counters their claim is presented?  I was utterly convinced that the US was involved in 9/11 for many years–it was my first reaction upon hearing there had been an attack, and the Administration’s following actions seemed to confirm my suspicions.  It wasn’t until I was challenged to really look at the evidence without prejudice, to do the things that people who are truly concerned with the truth do, that I was able to see that there is no evidence for a controlled demolition.  This is why the international community (and everyone else) doesn’t care what Truthers have to say–they don’t do the things that people who are truly seeking the truth do.  They don’t do what real activists do.  They do the things attention-seeking frauds do, like make and sell DVDs.  

Honestly, the 9/11 Truth movement is the result of retrospective outrage. Not only were there a lot of signs that terrorism was becoming more and more imminent on account of American political influence in the Middle East, but it was just blatantly obvious that Bush wanted to go Iraq purely for the fuck of it (oh, and the oil, too).

Sounds like you could do with a large dose of reality!  Good luck!

http://www.911-see-the-evidence.com/

Which is a more likely scenario: 

a.) the key members of the Republican party risk everything–their careers, their lives, the very existence of the Republican party–planning an operation that would include hundreds of people that would all have to keep their mouths shut, a scientific community conveniently ignoring scientific principles, and a lack of evidence that several investigations (the NIST wasn’t the only investigation, mind you–the NYPD and FDNY did investigations of their own, and given how many of them were killed when the buildings collapsed, how likely is it they would have half-assed their investigation?) commented upon.

b.) the US government simply does not care very much about defending the country from terrorist attacks.

Scenario A is so complex it borders on impossible, while scenario B is not even controversial.  Scenario B has been proven time and time again.  The US government has admitted that it knew invading Iraq would only increase terrorist attacks around the world and attempted attacks in the US, and did it anyway.  The US government has admitted that the CIA warned the Bush administration about impending attacks involving commercial jets, but they did nothing.  Even if they wanted a terrorist attack to push forward their plans for invading Iraq, why did they in no way whatsoever provide evidence that implicated Iraq?  Why would they instead provide evidence that implicated Saudi Arabia, the supposed friends of the US, something they would have to hastily cover up and gloss over in the future?  Why does the US still do business with Saudi Arabia despite knowing full well they fund terror operations all over the globe?  Why would they cook up a ridiculously complicated operation, an operation that implicates the planners are all literally insane, that risks everything, when they could simply allow one of the dozens of groups that want to do something like this to succeed?  That’s what they do in foreign countries when tehy need something done.  Why change from a successful tactic that would leave no evidence whatsoever to something a million times more risky on their own territory?  

 Because the US government doesn’t care about terrorist attacks.  Jesus.  I mean, that’s not even a controversial statement.  Everybody knows that.  If you really think scenario A is more likely, then I am certainly not the one with a poor grasp on reality.  

Which is a more likely scenario:

you hold all the answers to avery question and concern that the majority of the population legitimately holds regarding the official account of the events of 911…

or you have feacal matter for brains.

 How about a digital face to face debate via skype?  Put it on Disinfo and settle this shit finally.  Just need an objective moderator.  Shit we can even ask some of the disinfo podcasts guys to moderate.  5 minutes to respond.  You just have to unmask and stand behind your words?  Objections??  10th anniversary is coming up.  Let’s do this.

by the way, in the interests of finding common ground, we can both at the least be thankful that neither one of us is that idiot MasoMystic who seems to believe that a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION felled the towers.  See?  That’s one thing we have in common.  We’re making progress already.