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In Defense of the Hipster

Posted by TunaGhost on August 13, 2011

Hipster SharkPART ONE: WHAT IS A HIPSTER, AND WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE THEM? or: YOU’RE SO FAKE (AND SO AM I)

My name is Tuna Ghost and I have a confession: I’m a hipster.

One may think this is a self-defeating statement, like “this sentence is false” or “all Cretans are liars, says so-and-so of Crete”, as one of the commonly accepted hallmarks of a hipster is that he or she will vehemently deny that they are a hipster.  This bit of conventional wisdom is easily verified, all one has to do is ask the hipsters around one if they self-identify as a “hipster”.  Personally, I have to look no further than my own friends to see evidence of it.  By the traditional definition of “hipster” they are obviously hipsters, but thus far I am the only one who will gladly self-identify as such. One may wonder why anyone in their right mind would identity with a subculture that has become synonymous with shallowness, lack of authenticity and sneering douche-baggery (my friends certainly do), but in this article I will demonstrate that this is not a fair assessment of Hipsterism.

But before I can defend The Hipster, we should define our terms. From Wikipedia:

Hipster is a slang term that first appeared in the 1940s, and was revived in the 1990s and 2000s often to describe types of young, recently-settled urban middle class adults and older teenagers with interests in non-mainstream fashion and culture, particularly alternative music, indie rock, independent film, magazines such as Vice and Clash, and websites like Pitchfork Media.

Well that sounds innocuous enough, yes? I don’t read Vice or Clash but I am certainly a type of young(ish) adult from middle-class roots with interests in non-mainstream fashion and culture, particularly indie music and independent film. My friends all have similar interests, and surely these interests don’t have any intrinsic, toxically condescending elements that transfer to the people who who are involved with them.

Then why are hipsters almost constantly under fire? For a closer look, check out Christian Lorentzen’s article “Why the Hipster Must Die: A Modest Proposal to Save New-York Cool.” Here he provides another, much more accusing definition for “hipster”:

Under the guise of ‘irony,’ hipsterism fetishizes the authentic and regurgitates it with a winking inauthenticity. Those 18-to-34-year-olds called hipsters have defanged, skinned and consumed the fringe movements of the postwar era — Beat, hippie, punk, even grunge. (Read more: Time Out NY)

The definition reeks of an agenda, sure, and it is total bunk in many ways, but it provides us with an adequate starting place.  Ignoring the debate over whether or not these movements ever had “fangs” to begin with, all of the movements listed were the hipster movements of their times if we use the Wikipedia definition.  Urban young adults with middle-class roots? Check. Interests in non-mainstream fashion and culture?  Check.  Mostly white and appropriating minority cultures? Check. In the article, Lorentzen calls hipsters the “assassins of cool”, charging them with the attempted murder of New York Cool.  He comes off like an aging hippy complaining that these kids don’t know what real cool is, angry and afraid that his values are disappearing with the advent of a new movement devoid of meaning that will leave him behind.  And, as he is surely aware, to be left behind in this race is to be made un-hip.

As problematic as Lorentz’s article is, it nevertheless provides us with the conventional answer to “what is a hipster”: someone who values the aesthetic value above all else, who prides themselves on their coolness while at the same time denying it.  They wear clothes for the ironic/fashion value, because it is deemed hip or cool.  Their favorite music and literature are chosen for the same reasons.  They go to shows and hit the scene to be seen, to be viewed as cool.  They buy working class beer (Pabst Blue Ribbon is often cited) instead of the more expensive beer they can obviously afford.  Their entire identity is just a construction. They slum. They’re fake.  Check out Look At This Fucking Hipster, www.latfh.com. Or Hipsters: The Dead End of Western Civilization at Adbusters (I should warn you that the article is pretty lousy, but there are some insightful comments) for confirmation of this idea.  Basically, it seems hipsters are focused on image, even to the detriment of feelings or sentiment or meaning of any kind.

The problem is, a lot of this involves some pretty crappy and occasionally insulting reasoning. A common criticism I hear, perhaps you’ve heard it yourself, is “they don’t wear those clothes because they like them, they wear it because x/y/z”. Apparently they are wearing those tight jeans and t-shirts for some other reason, something incriminating. They don’t wear those clothes because they like them, ergo they are “fake”.

This is a ridiculous criticism for a number of reasons. First, someone wearing clothes for reasons besides the apparently primary reason of “I like it” is not a new phenomenon. Simply put, people wear clothes for reasons other than “liking them” ALL THE TIME.  Why did women ever wear corsets and girdles? Or high-heels that smash one’s toes?  Why does anyone wear a hijab in terrible heat?  Why do we wear suits to funerals and tuxedos to weddings?  For that matter, why don’t we all strip our clothes off whenever it is too hot? “Because I like it” is not always the primary reason to wear something; in fact, it’s pretty far down the list.

Secondly, to charge someone with insincerity because they are wearing something simply for ironic value, rather than because they like or enjoy something, is equally silly.  If one enjoys irony, or any other post-modern idea for that matter, and are wearing something to achieve a desired effect in that area, then I think that qualifies as “liking it”. How could it be otherwise?  There’s a very nasty idea at work here: Irony isn’t fun, therefore you can’t have fun being ironic, therefore they’re not wearing it because its fun. They must have some other, more insidious reason for wearing it.

There are class issues brought up in accusations of hipsters as well; there’s this notion of middle-class white kids appropriating working-class fashions and tastes for reasons other than because they are working class, e.g. hanging out in dives rather than the upscale bars they can obviously afford to patronize, wearing shirts found in thrift stores and Salvation Army donations instead of the more expensive clothes they could easily purchase.   I find this accusation of middle-class people not acting middle-class enough for someone’s taste very strange and a little unsettling.  For one, determining someone’s class by a glance is not a talent most people have. The age of most hipsters is in an area where their class is fairly nebulous anyway their careers are only just beginning, and that’s if they’re lucky.  What does it mean when you label the person who serves you coffee or rings up your purchase at the counter “middle-class”? What about the line cooks and the waiters?  The young man or woman working at the bank? The bartenders? How do you know they are supported by their parents?  My parents may be financially comfortable, but when I was living in a rundown rat-hole of a house in Detroit working two jobs to pay rent and tuition (and to support my fairly robust substance-abuse problem) was I still “middle-class”?

Even if they are definitively middle-class with the money and education typical of that demographic, frankly the idea of a group of bohemian-minded middle-class people purposefully standing apart from the dominant trends, politics, and morals of their class is nothing new. Aside from the already-mentioned Beatniks and Hippies, what about the Dadaists?  Shelley and Byron? How are they different? Do the same criticisms apply to them?  I often hear the argument that these people contributed something to music or the arts and so become (somehow) exempt from the same criticisms, but will one then make the claim that hipsters don’t? That is plainly false. Bands started by hipsters are everywhere. I can’t throw a rock without hitting a hipster artist or musician, and if you claim that hipsters aren’t making good music or art you’re simply not looking hard enough. Not only that, but hipsters have a wide-range of artistic interests, and their attention (or at least their financial support) has helped bring formerly small-time acts into a larger arena.  Take metal for instance, a scene with a large variety which has recently found a new market in hipster circles (I’m not just talking about Mastadon here, before anyone says anything). This attention has helped metal bands sell more records and reach a new audience, something vital to any artistic endeavor.

Too much of the criticism against hipsters seems to be from people who cannot understand how indulging in fashion and fun hair and the “scene” can be fun, therefore it CAN’T be fun, therefore these people aren’t actually having fun.  They’re just fakes with ulterior motives.  They don’t want to look good and be passionate about music and the arts, they are forcing themselves to do so in some masochistic fashion to seek approval from a scene they actually detest. There’s a very troubling notion inherent in all this, that indulging in fashion and being passionate about music and the arts is not something real people do, that one cannot like something just because it is fashionable, which is ridiculous beyond words.

You may have noticed a common theme in these criticisms of Hipsterism: authenticity, or rather the lack of it.  Many of their trends are affectations, so they’re not sincere but if someone genuinely likes affectations, what does that make them?  Real or fake?  Does that make them, a la Breakfast at Tiffany’s, a “real fake”?  Once again, there’s an unspoken but agreed upon idea at work here, namely that real people don’t indulge in new trends or fashions simply because they are new or fun.  Are we really willing to agree with this? The implications are pretty severe.  Look around you if we operate as if this idea is reality, then there are almost no “real” people out there.  When did indulging in fashion and fun hair become a crime?  When did “real” people stop doing this?

Too often the criticisms I hear simply reaffirm that “hipster”, as a pejorative, is functioning only as an othering device. Hipsters are as guilty of this as anyone, but only because “hipster” is such a dirty word.  I see so many people, people whose notions of culture or masculinity are being threatened, using “hipster” simply to mean “someone who’s cultural markers, as evidenced by the clothes they wear and the music they listen to, reflect a culture that I am not a part of and therefore must be stupid or fake”. The assumptions about the accused, about their sincerity in regard to their tastes and fashions, come shortly after.  Someone can’t be politically or socially aware because they want to, because surely nobody likes that. They can’t dress in an androgynous fashion because they like it, because nobody “real” likes being androgynous. They can’t have fun with irony because irony isn’t fun — therefore, they’re just doing it to be popular, to get laid, or, most importantly, to make me feel stupid or out of touch.

People, please!  I’m doing it because its fun and to make you feel out of touch.

Stick around for Part 2: AUTHENTICITY IS BULLSHIT, or: POP IS THE NEW PUNK, in which I will explore the notion of authenticity that is the root of most criticisms of Hipsterism, and explain why it is bullshit.

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  • Tuna Ghost

    Well its not that remarkable that it has over a 100 posts, since roughly half of them are my own.  But still, my goals were a.) convince people to stop using the criticisms I noted in my article, or b.) convince people to start self-identifying as “hipster” if the term applies to them, or c.) get a discussion going.  In that respect, at least I accomplished one of my goals.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Yeah I expected some haters, and for some to wonder why anyone would even bother with something so trivial.   But I really didn’t expect this many people to give a shit, frankly.  

  • Chris Mounce

    I can vouch for this I was involved with Nick at the Black Sun Gazette. These are his ideas and his style of writing.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I won’t lie that one can find that air of superiority in some hipsters, and I think that comes naturally to some extent from chasing trends.  The novelty aspect is important when chasing fashion trends, so one sort of “wins” when one discovers or creates a new trend.  Unfortunately, this victory only has meaning with others engaged in the same race; trying to brag to someone not involved will only make one look like an asshole with absolutely zero self-awareness.  

    Of course, that sort of condescension comes in all walks of life–I recently made a friend (who is most certainly not a hipster) admit that if someone had come up to him proudly announcing his “discovery” of command line language operating systems, he (my friend) would have had a vicious insult on his lips and ready to go before the poor sap had even finished his sentence.  

  • Tuna Ghost

    yeah, you’re totally not making assumptions about people’s lives or motivations.  

    Not at all.

  • Tuna Ghost

    This article, with it’s poor writing and incomplete thoughts, reads more like an apology for hipsterism rather than a justification for it. 

    That’s the third time you’ve done that.  Are you going to point out any of these incomplete thoughts or examples of poor writing, or are we just supposed to take your word for it?

    The problem with hipsterism is that it doesn’t have a response or a cultural force.  It is a shallow distraction for the nation’s adult children, too obsessed with novelty to pay attention to what is happening around them in the country and the world.  Hipsterism then is a symptom of a much larger cultural problem.

    Jesus, it took a dozen posts from you to get one decent argument.  Why couldn’t you have just posted this and skipped the all the bullshit?

    Azathoth made a very similar argument further up, that Hipsterism has a neutral effect on those who join it.  Hipsters do have values, but whether or not they come from Hipsterism is questionable at best.  Like I told Azathoth, the argument that the values found in hipsters comes from Hipsterism is a very difficult one to make–I’ve never met a Republican hipster, but theoretically one could exist.  I’ve never met a racist or homo-phobic hipster (or at least not purposely so, ignorance can make even the best-intentioned people say or do racist stuff), but theoretically one could exist, which can’t really be said of the Hippie movement.  Although one would have to wonder why he or she would be hanging around the liberals, minorities and gays found in many hipster circles. 

    People who become hipsters may find themselves becoming more “green” or anti-racism or anti-consumerism, and one is tempted to say that comes from attempting to emulate the more seasoned hipsters around them rather than descending from on high in a heavenly chorus and indeed one may be 100% correct about this, but I’m not convinced that having a neutral effect is inherently a Bad Thing ™.  As I said earlier, maybe its time for youths to get their morals and values from somewhere else besides the Cool Kids ™.

  • Anonymous

    i don’t drink (azn tolerance) except for sake. and i had to google pbr.

  • Elmyr23

    don’t feed the troll

  • Elmyr23

    don’t feed the troll

  • Bob

    skipped 100+ post, fighting arugment and saying your real point 100+ post deep is lame. maybe your a devils advocate, good job. effect somebodies thought

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    You didn’t miss out on much…trust. PBR is to beer what sulfuric acid is to champagne.

  • http://twitter.com/TheNiallist Niall O’Conghaile

    So this was first published in 2009?

  • http://twitter.com/TheNiallist Niall O’Conghaile

    But, like, they still wouldn’t get it, yeah? 

  • http://twitter.com/TheNiallist Niall O’Conghaile

    “Put your stuff on the internet at your own risk.” – the Cooks Source defense. 

  • oriah

    Maybe i’ve missed out on something.  I didn’t realize hating hipsters was so en vogue.   I don’t think i’m a ”hipster” but i certainly don’t ”hate” them.

    In many of the comments posted here it sounds as if people are most upset by what they perceive as a lack of authenticity on the part of hipsters.  It also appears people believe other times/styles/”movements” had great gravity and cultural significance.  I would like to suggest an alternate view.

    Every period has it’s own cultural collateral and brings something to the evolution of our conciousness.  But, in the moment, as it’s happening, it’s about having a good time and expressing a way of being that defies the current paradigm.  The larger cultural significance can only be observed in retrospect.  I would argue this is true for the jazz age, the great depression, the beat generation, the counter culture of the hippies (oh the boomers!), yuppies, and now hipsters.

    It appears to me there are a lot of stereotypes woven in this thread that are somewhat amusing to me.  First, it appears people believe hipsters are predominantly middle class.  While i agree they may be from middle-class origins, gen-X and gen-Y are the first generations who are expected to be worse-off then their parents.  They are, in fact, downwardly mobile.  Shopping at thift stores may be a necessitiy/decision born of economic reality.  In light of the fact wages have been supressed, jobs have been sent overseas, and americans subsidize their lives with credit, shopping at thrift stores seems like a good idea….not to mention it has less environmental impact than buying new stuff.  I would agree buying new stuff that looks like old stuff is absurd.  I’m also acutely aware that many hipsters may have a degree they could hang on the wall, have thousands of dollars of debt related to that piece of paper, and  learned no marketable skills related to their degree.  Culturally, the world has changed.  The liberal arts degree that used to give you access to white collar employment is realatively useless.  Please don’t get your knickers in a twist over that statement…i have a BA in psych and it’s realatively worthless.  Add to that the fact that most newly created jobs are in the service sector and you have a recipe for college educated, formerly middle-class baristas.   

    There have been a number of people who’ve mentioned music and art as being co-opted by hipsters.  So what?  Everyone today has nearly limitless access to the arts in all their forms.  Museums have sections devoted to the ancient world, renaissance, impressionist, modern, post-modern, arts & crafts, and a ton of other genres i’ve left out.  Some art & music will resonate with you and some won’t.  Very few (if any) artists, writers, or musicians create something and think, “I hope only 247 people in the whole world know about & appreciate my work….otherwise, i’ll feel co-opted and exploited by a lesser culture.”

    There are actually a number of things about hipsters i really like.  I like that they accept multiculturalism as a given.  If they’re accused of co-opting other cultures or minorities, there’s a part of me that says, “So what?”  The myth of the u.s. is that we’re the great “melting pot.”  Something about that has always implied that newcomers should assimilate.  What i see happening now is that newcomers are observed, appreciated, and part of their culture becomes part of who we are and how we relate to the world.  That assimilation or adoption happens EVERYTIME we hear or see something that resonates with us and you can’t claim that someone else’s dirrect experience is inauthentic.  You aren’t in their skin.

    Another thing i really appreciate about hipsters is that sexual orientation is a non-issue.  This in conjuction with multiculturalism are significant cultural jumps in conciousness.  It’s a profound shift in people’s understanding and acceptance of others.

    I also appreciate the general sense of environmental concern i see in the hipsters.  Local and organic foods are part of most people’s conciousness (and it wasn’t that way 10 years ago).  Frequenting local businesses over chains is a good thing that strengthens local economies.  Walking, biking, skateboarding are great alternatives to driving.

    Maybe rather than throwing the word “hipster” around like it’s a derogatory term, we should all attempt to just accept people where there are today, assume they’ll adopt change over time, and realize that what we hate most in others is really a reflection of what we hate most in ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    oh i do like plum wine on occasion, but no one else will drink that with me…lol

  • nevertrusta3sum

    Fuck you hipsters. Shave that beard you trendy fucking slop. and get a fucking job.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2W0LqQwEE

  • Andrew

    Exactly.

  • http://twitter.com/Paulo_UK Paulo

    A great one-off British comedy series that deals with hipsters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhAr_UeroCk

  • Godlesski866

    Jin the Ninja agrees again.. as he agrees with frigging everything… lemming.

  • Cannedazz

    In the internetz.. the first yell..HITLER.or.RACIST.. Loses the argument forever..period. These annoying red herring ad hominem attacks are played out….. PEAZE!

  • GEIST

    4 people like this…people who only know you after reading this article. 

  • GEIST

    4 people like this…people who only know you after reading this article. 

  • AnonPresidentSIUC

    Sue this hack for plagiarism. It will hold up!

  • Suckmytree

    Out of the closet finally. Maybe you’ll quit being a monkey poser bitch now.

  • Anonymous

    Cool story bro

  • Bigdickmegaherz

    Awesome response… Bravo.

  • Bigdickmegaherz

    Awesome response… Bravo.

  • Bigdickmegaherz

    I like PBR so fuck you!

  • Supes

    Its easy to be a ballsy smart ass and argue invalid points when your anon like tuna ghost and me. At least your a real person Eric.

  • Tuna_Gayst

    Fuck you.

  • Nano_Thermite_911

    And this is why Tuna Ghost is right to self-classify as a hipster.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/agent139 Jamie Lee

    An “old” one (in Internet time, it’s from 2007) along similar lines: http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=25

    (Old enough the image archive is all gone from server migration, but the text is all well and good.) 

  • Anonymous

    This is really the deal fuzzgun, all us olds are pissed off they didn’t earn their stripes.  Hipsters are what google did to cool, it destroyed any possibility of an underground. Any glimmer of a regional counter-culture is sucked into the equalizing machine and spit back to the world at large with a price tag. Part of it is probably epistemology, based on the blood, sweat, and tears it used to require to “know” something “cool.” I don’t think the hipster reaction is in any sense invalid though, these kids grew up without any sweat equity in the scene. The one facet of this I resent is that no one cares for quality, but, a lot of counter-culture suffered from that over the last four decades as well. 
    As for the class war arguments going on above, the working-class never likes it when you gentrify their living. It prices them out of their clothing, food, and neighborhoods. Nobody likes their way of life being priced out of their means because some spoiled ass white kid thought it looked cool. That said, the process of gentrification can be pretty fun if you’ve got the cash to spend. William S. Burroughs was a rich kid, Kerouac and Ginsberg too, people in the jazz clubs thought they were pretty douchey as I understand it. The original punk bands all sold pop records, and weren’t the property of some elite counter-culture, as they became in the later days. It’s all primate in-group/out-group territorial politics, inherent to the species, probably important in some distant past. My blood pressure is better if I don’t take any of it too seriously.

  • Ava

    seriously? i used to like this website. 

  • http://thefirstchurchofmutterhals.blogspot.com/ mutterhals

    Hipster hater haters are the new hipsters.

  • Tuna Ghost

    I’ve been waiting days for someone to say that, what took you so long

  • Effewe2

    You are a fucking juvenile. Your a child who has developed the ability to communicate his wants and desires clearly. Congratulations.

  • Effewe2

    You are a fucking juvenile. Your a child who has developed the ability to communicate his wants and desires clearly. Congratulations.

  • PoshardSIU

    @Niall O’Conghaile  I ran this article through a professional Plagiarism check and got 8 hits. I believe Tuna Ghost is a thief.

  • PoshardSIU

    Run this article through some plagiarism checkers… This guys a hack.

  • Nano_Thermite_911

    Which engine did you run it through?  

  • http://www.facebook.com/Carlospanzram Carlos Panzram

    More than mocking “hipsters” its much more fun to watch people with the old mindsets sneer and cling to their “cool” while simultaneously hurling it out to attack others, never to realize that soon they will have none of it left. 

  • Tuna Ghost

    If he ever published it, he didn’t tell me.  BSG went under soon after I gave an earlier version of it to Nick.  Many of the points in this piece came from a discussion on the now-defunct Barbelith.com.  If I plagiarized anything or anyone, it was that discussion.  

  • Martiwa0

    Doggone. Entering the world of hipsterdom sounds like it takes an awful lot of work. To quote the always brilliant and timely Dolly Parton: “It takes a lot of money to look this cheap.”

  • Philip Hades

    tldr; lol
    Writing a multi-screen exegeses why people shouldn’t hate you makes you EXACTLY the kind of hipster people should hate. 

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  • Cityhermit

    you seem to be blissfully ignorant about hispter’s gentrification of working class neighbourhoods. I dont give two splats of a dead junkies vomit about their sense of fashion or irony it is a very real economic issue.

  • MTheOverlord

    Smug, poorly written, and compelled me towards Lorentzen’s article.