"Cultural engineer" is a term often used to describe you. There's a great moment on Heathen Earth when you say: "You should always aim to be as skillful as the most professional of government agencies. The way you live, conceive and market what you do should be as well thought out as a government coup. It's a campaign, it has nothing to do with art." Were music and art, when viewed as the propaganda platforms of popular culture, merely means to an end for you? Do you look at over 3 decades of your career and the various "movements" you've been closely associated with or helped birth --performance art, industrial music, rave culture--and see a fairly straight trajectory?Do you want to know what, for me, the goal is? It's basically a sequence: art, music, literature --divinity. The whole point of any project is to get to the point where some form of 21st century philosophical meta-PHYSICAL manual can be assembled from the detritus of all the work, that is functionally useful and inspiring to other people. I want to write a really, really good book of amusingly arcane ideas, that could help some people come to terms with and be blessed by the weird mystery of being alive. That's what I want to do. There's nothing else to discuss in life. That's the only point. Why we exist. What "being" is. Is there a purpose and if there is a purpose how do we achieve it? That's the only topic of interest. That's it. End of story. "Entertainment" has never been of interest to me, as such (laughs)!
I'm a fanatic, a compulsive fanatic. I far as I was concerned commitment to the project is the most important thing at any given time. I think some people find that hard to live with, I think some people don't believe it. And I think some people just get tired. And that's all reasonable. Those are all reasonable responses, aren't they?
For me, being a romantic, the reasons for something and the long term altruism, the metaphysics, is the only thing that truly gives me creative pleasure and gets me feeling it's worth the effort and without that, it's just more . . . stuff. There are very few people who are prepared to truly give their life to an idea, come what may, and be prepared to fight countries and governments and global cultural imprints. Indefinitely. Maybe for no financial or egocentric reward, you know? There aren't many around. Not that that means there should be . . .
You're sort of the grand old man of the counter-culture now that William Burroughs, Allen Ginsberg and Timothy Leary have died. Higher evolutionary DNA has not seemed to produce many 'rebel philosopher' types in any great number . . .
Seems that way. Maybe that's just the balance of things. Maybe that's how the mutant gene pool works. I imagine that the next challenge will be becoming "beyond human." Working towards the next species and moving towards the portal of the inconceivable without fear or expectation. That's the door I wish to pass through. I'm up for change and adventure and I'm in it for the duration.
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