GM: It is the duty of the individual to realize that we're not an individual at all, and that the space between me and you is as much a defining of me and you as the body is. If you move away from me there's still that gap between us that connects us, I mean obviously we could move anywhere in the world and it's just like two electrons meeting. And the gap between us is still a definition of the fact that we sat here once. So imagine you could work it, if you reverse that, if you come back, it's the same gap between us. So that's The Invisibles #2 cover as well, it's the Holy Grail, the thing between two people, that's the Holy Grail, that's where all the communication and interaction is. And what we should be doing is looking in the spaces, because we're so obsessed about self, in the spaces, that's where everything is, that's where all the connections are. And what I'm saying is look at the spaces, and if we're all one thing then say we’re all just antibodies inside this universe? Like again, that was The Invisibles, that was kind of the conceit in it, that what we see as gray aliens or elves or spirits, all these weird little creatures that have been appearing for mankind for our entire time on Earth are antibodies, that have been put into the universal entity to make sure that it grows properly. And what we've been seeing as evil is actually an inoculation against that feeling; we re-conceptualize it as evil and as a threat but it's an inoculation, the same way you'd shoot a kid full of Polio, to protect them from Polio. The body will experience all of those antibodies as an invasion--but then they'll learn how to defeat Polio! I think that evil and what we experience as evil is just an inoculation against darkness, so that we'll learn how to deal with it, so that when we grow up and wake up and have true selves, we'll know it. So the idea is that we think of ourselves as this huge thing and what we have to do is help the thing grow, and it's really important for us to do it because it's a loving universe and we are it. And we've all got to do it. It's not about me fighting some guy who doesn't agree with me, or blowing things up, it's all, fuck, we're all the same thing, we're all drawn on the same paper. Why are we settin' fire to the paper? [Laughs]

JL: It seems like in a lot of occult theory, though, there are two paths recognized--one is where you defeat the ego, the Right Hand Path where you destroy the ego, and the Left Hand Path where the ego is supreme, your self is supreme--do you just see yourself as being on the Right Hand Path?

GM: No, because I think that, again, that's a dualistic notion, that works really well because this universe is constructed in binary principles, it's really simple, it's all in order, it's so fuckin' simple this thing we live in. Because everything works in binary, we can conceptualize anything in our universe, we can actually break everything down into a one and a zero, and re-create it, that's how simple this universe is, which strikes me as so obviously a larval thing or a constructed thing. But beyond that duality, again like I said in the comic, imagine the Left Hand Path is over here [pointing to a spot on bench] and on the same spectrum is the Right Hand Path [pointing to a second nearby spot, forming a line], there's not a big difference, they're not two different things, it's just a spectrum. So what is over here? [Pointing to a spot nowhere near either point, laughing] What is on the other side of that? So think about that, those are just human conceits. Someone who wants to do magic to surround themselves with wealth, women, or whatever, fair enough; but if that's all he wants to do then he'll be trapped in it. If material is all that matters than he'll never really wake up to anything else. I'm always wary of people calling themselves Satanists; they'll probably live and die just like the rest of us and then they'll have to deal with it, but there's no real judgement in that. For me I'd rather just go with the universe as a thing; I mean, I've been working to accrue wealth, wealth is great because it helps me travel and do more things but there's also a higher agenda behind that. I don't see why you shouldn't accrue wealth, but I think that the black magicians are the ones who can't realize that there's more to life than that. Black magicians are like scientists, because they're stuck in this materialistic trap, and they're really afraid of death, they're always looking to prolong their lives, they're interested in immortality, they're just hopeless characters trapped in math and afraid of everything else.

JL: Which occult figures of the twentieth century do you respect? From your definition right there, that leaves most of them out.

GM: Yeah, Crowley obviously was a touting, ridiculous, bombastic, amazing figure, he just did the stuff and then wrote it down, you have to admire that. The guy was full of it, but so's everybody, why shouldn't he be? His work is so amazing. Austin Spare is interesting, and then there's the Chaos people who influenced me in the Eighties, Phil Hine and Ray Sherwin and Peter Carroll. The biggest influence on me was my Uncle Billy, who was this big black magician . . . [Laughs]

JL: You were saying that you think three years down the line. You've been giving us updates through the website, but I'm wondering what you're thinking right now, what's on the Morrison radar? What do you see three years down the line?