GM: It's not even that, it's going to be something completely different again. All this stuff we're getting right now, it's punk, you know, The Matrix, it's all punk coming back, it's those Horus energies, it's that kind of, you know, Linkin Park, Slipknot, it's all back as predicted. They didn't give it a name this time, the last thing they called it was punk, then they called it rave. It's weird this generation didn't name themselves, but they're there. You know, even in Glasgow, there are all these little kids in black, and I think it's great, because they're spontaneously immersing themselves, there's this huge mass of them in the city center, and more of them keep coming as they tell more kids to buy the albums they think are cool. They're all in the city center, and there's like hundreds of them, I'm meeting them in the library, and you can feel the energy, they keep building on this thing. They don't quite know what it is, and they haven't given it a name. I'm actually looking to the next kids. I think this generation got kind of fucked, I don't know what happened, where the energy went. The next bunch are really the ones who are going to carry this thing, and they're going to combine this with a kind of hippie thing, that pastoral vibe, it'll be something, you'll start to see this vibe as a low thing, you won't know who they are, they'll be really low down on the radar because utopia is a recessive cultural trait rather than a dominant one, but they'll emerge huge, full-blown into the mainstream by 2010.

JL: You definitely seem to see things in terms of cycles.

GM: It's just a model, and it works, you can apply models because they fit and they make people think. Yeah, obviously the whole thing's just a process, it's like water running down a drain, there's as much chaos in it anything. But because it's such a simple system, it's easy to see the currents. Like I said in the comic, it's like Scooby and Shaggy running down the hall, the same door keeps going by, the same thing keeps getting repeated, because it's easy to use over and over.

JL: You almost seem to see things in a 19th century way, in kind of a Hegelian dialectic. You talked about the universe being in binary--is that how you see everything, as a dualistic system?

GM: Well I know it can be reduced to that, and everyone can keep reducing it to that. But I know that the highest aspect of our thinking, you know, Buddhist meditation, Zen meditation, stuff like that can take you beyond duality, so those things actually collapse into unity. I know that place exists. But really I don't read Hegel or any of that, I don't know what the fuck he's talking about to be honest. I'm just talking about my own experience, and framing it into the education that I've got, the language I've got. That's how the world was presented to me, how people present the world to me. And I'm sure that there's another way of thinking beyond that, but there seems to be endless Malkuth, you know, the lowest level of the Tree of Life, everything can be reduced to binary.

JL: Do you think that that's maybe only a current trend, that people are just acting on whatever ideas were brought about in the 19th century?

GM: Oh, I'm sure we all are. We're all embedded in our times. I always talk about Aboriginal culture, because that's a culture that's been around for forty thousand years. People think they're primitive, but I don't believe that any culture that's been around for forty thousand years is primitive at all. And I spoke to somebody who's been with the Aborigines and he said this amazing thing to me which I've never forgot. He said, "You don't understand these people, they've dispensed with technology." [Laughs] He said that these are the most sophisticated people on the planet, but unfortunately they've come up against a racist government that's mastered much cruder methods and that's fucked with them. He said, "What do you think, we've gone six thousand years and made all this, what do you think they made and then dismissed?" And I was just like, "Fuck . . ." [Laughs] And they have a totally different thing, their thinking's like fifth dimensional thinking. And if you talk to an Aboriginal, he'll go "Yeah, we've been to the moon, we fly around up there, we did that ages ago." So what I mean is that they're actually working in full-scale technology, but we got more drunk! 'Cause that's how we do it, that's how our culture destroys its insight.

JL: With alcohol?

GM: Yeah.

JL: You definitely talk a lot about caffeine and nicotine cutting us off from a lot of things.