Charles Key: Right. As a matter of fact the FBI--this is a real important point--the FBI intentionally inflated the size of the crater to about twice the size of what it actually was.

Disinformation: The government kept changing its story regarding the dimensions of the crater?

Charles Key: Yes. They started off saying it was 32 feet and then about a month later when FEMA put together this crew, American Society of Civil Engineers--they brought this crew to Oklahoma City, but the FBI wouldn't let them come to the site. They came to do this official report for FEMA and they wouldn't let them come too near the site, wouldn't let them look at the crater, or measure it. And then the FBI fed them the information, and the information they fed them at that time was--they said the crater was between 28 and 32 feet. Those were the figures they used at that time. And the real size of it was between 16 and 18 feet, maxium, depending at what angle you’re measuring it from.

Disinformation: Weren't photographs taken the morning of the bombing and the photos showed that there wasn't a large crater in front of the building?

Charles Key: Yes. We really researched that for a long time. We've looked at this very extensively and there was a crater, but it just was not anywhere near the size that the FBI claimed it was. And the pictures prove that beyond any doubt.

Disinformation: If it's so obvious that the truck bomb couldn't have done the damage in Oklahoma City, then why didn't Timothy McVeigh's lawyer bring this up? Or did he?

Charles Key: Well, that's a good question. You know, there's been a lot of speculation about that. Stephen Jones has done so much to try to bring out the truth about this case, so I think it's real hard for anybody to say that he had complicity in some way in trying to cover it up . . . One of the reasons might be that--simply--that they just missed this one. The lawyers just blew it.

Disinformation: It seems that if they brought in General Partin--he makes you see that there's no way the truck bomb could have done it--if McVeigh's lawyer had brought Partin in to testify, then it seems he could have gotten his client off.

Charles Key: They actually had him on the witness list. Why they didn't bring him in to actually use him is the question. But they actually had him on the witness list.

Disinformation: How could the lawyers have missed that? Some people have claimed that Stephen Jones has connections to some of the government agencies and officials who seem intent on a cover-up. The most preeminent experts have said that an ANFO truck bomb couldn't have done this. It's very strange that Jones didn't use that in the defense.

Charles Key: It is. It's . . . I don't know. I have some speculation about that, but if I talked about it, it would have to be off the record.

Disinformation: What do you make of Timothy McVeigh's confession? He supposedly said he bombed the building and he acted alone.

Charles Key: You're talking about that book that came out right before McVeigh was executed, written by those two reporters from New York . . . Well, first of all it's questionable what he really did say in those alleged interviews. One of those writers called General Partin and told him that he didn't participate in the interviews. Publicly, they've said that they both did the interviews…We can know some facts about the case, many facts about the case, without what McVeigh had to say. We know some things that he allegedly said in that book are not true. For instance, he said he was alone on the morning of the bombing, but we know that's false, because many people have testified to seeing McVeigh with a John Doe on the morning of the bombing. And there are other things there that we absolutely know are not true. So therefore that would bring in some other questions about the other things he said. The supposed confession, and everything else.

Disinformation: Do you think McVeigh was maybe taking blame for something he didn't do, or didn't do alone? Or maybe he never really confessed? Or maybe it was coerced, or something?

Charles Key: Yea, that's kind of where I would go. Maybe he was protecting some of the other participants, or maybe family members. Maybe he felt if he told who the other bombing participants were then he knew his family would be at threat from those other perpetrators.

Disinformation: You feel strongly that early on the government and FBI decided that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone, and after that the FBI refused to investigate any evidence that might suggest that there were more accomplices. But, in fact, many, many people saw McVeigh with many different John Does. There's a mountain of evidence that clearly suggests that McVeigh certainly could have had more accomplices, right?

Charles Key: There's no question about it. Absolutely. Possibly Middle Eastern terrorists. And/or anti-government terrorists. It's all in our report.

Disinformation: Due to your efforts, a Grand Jury was impaneled in June 1997 to investigate the bombing. But you feel that the Grand Jury ended up being rigged. You feel the Grand Jury was manipulated by the courts in Oklahoma so that the jurors would hear evidence that would implicate only McVeigh and Nichols.