Charles Key: Absolutely. In our Final Report we list forty-two instances of government improprieties. Forty-two examples of when we feel the government engaged in misconduct. And something like twenty of those instances are related to FBI misconduct.

Disinformation: There were a couple of surveillance cameras right out side the Murrah Building that would have caught everything on tape that morning--they would have shown who pulled the Ryder truck up to the building, and how the building came down. The FBI confiscated the film from those cameras and they're not releasing it. If the FBI would just release those tapes, then we could see exactly what happened, couldn't we? The film would show who drove the Ryder truck up to the building.

Charles Key: Yes, they could prove real easily with those tapes and with some others across the street that they also will not release whether or not people like me are a bunch of conspiracy theorists or not, you know. They could prove finally whether or not McVeigh really was alone, and whether there really was another car, other vehicles across the street, that were working in conjunction with his activities.

Disinformation: They won't release those?

Charles Key: They will not release them. Recently we had a Freedom of Information Act trial here in an attempt to get the government to release the tapes. They stonewalled it. They won't release them.

Disinformation: In your opinion, what is more irrational--the magic bullet theory from the Kennedy assassination, or the contention that a 4,800 pound ANFO bomb brought down the building in Oklahoma City?

Charles Key: They're about equal. Toss them up. It's a coin flip.

Disinformation: How do most of the people down in Oklahoma City feel? Do they feel McVeigh acted alone? Or do they feel the whole story hasn't been told?

Charles Key: No, most people know that McVeigh did not act alone. They know the whole story's not been told. There's been some scientific surveys that show that at about 65%. That was several years ago. I'm sure that it's higher now, after all the stuff that's happened in the last year or so. But, also, there's been a number of polls that radio stations have done, unscientific though they are, that asked even more extensive questions, and they came out real lopsided, people saying McVeigh didn't do it alone.

Disinformation: Most of the rest of the country probably thinks that McVeigh did it alone because they weren't close to the event, and weren't privy to the local whisperings, the insider stuff.

Charles Key: That is probably right.

Disinformation: Do you have any personal opinions about who was behind the bombing?

Charles Key: Well, in my mind I feel it was cooked up, it was thought up and financed by Iraq and other Middle Eastern terrorists. Strong evidence indicates that. But one of the big questions is how did they get McVeigh and Nichols, how is it that a couple of Americans, or more than one, would join in in an effort with some Middle Eastern terrorists to do something like this. That's the big question, because we've never had that happen before.

Disinformation: So you don't believe that this was the government. Because some people have claimed--falsely--that the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee is saying that some people in the government had something to do with it.

Charles Key: Well, after I've seen the way the government's operated, and everything I've learned in this case, I wouldn't exclude other possible scenarios offhand. I would not exclude them offhand. And the reason I say that is because I've seen people do that in this case, they couldn't somehow conceptualize multiple bombs so they wanted to just exclude all the information about multiple explosions. Some people in the early days, they just couldn't understand how Middle Eastern terrorists could be a part of this, and work with white Americans to do something like this. They excluded all the information about Middle Eastern terrorism.

Disinformation: And you've learned that you shouldn't exclude other possible scenarios?

Charles Key: Right, and that's where I'm coming from with this . . . Could there be somebody in the government that . . . For example, I'll tell you this . . . I've been told by a source that the genesis of the Oklahoma City bombing began right after Waco, and that some ATF officials and that other government officials--these were the words that were used by the source--began to put together a publicity sting operation to make the ATF look good, because the ATF looked so bad because of Waco. So they started planning a publicity sting operation. And this source told me that "after that I don't know what happened, how it further developed, but I know it started off as a publicity sting operation."

Disinformation: Yes, some people in Oklahoma believe that the bombing was all about a failed sting operation. That ATF and other government agents knew McVeigh and accomplices were planning to bomb a building. And the government agents were following McVeigh, or undercover agents were working with him, and the plan was to catch him at the last moment, and arrest as many co-conspirators as possible. And your source is saying that this was also a publicity thing for the ATF . . . But then what happened? The sting operation went a little too far and 168 people were killed?

Charles Key: Well, this person made it very clear that he had that information that that's the way it began. This would be in 1993, after Waco. Late '93, early '94. What he was trying to say to me was that, "what else happened, how this developed further, I don't know. But I know there were officials that were starting to come up with ideas about how could we do a publicity sting operation."

Disinformation: Can you say if that source was an ATF, or government employee? How reliable do you consider him to be?

Charles Key: The source was and is an employee in the legislative branch of the federal government. The person is a very reliable source.

Disinformation: You said that you feel that the bombing started in Iraq with Middle Eastern terrorists. A lot of information about that has come out recently. But if it began in the ATF as a publicity sting operation then it couldn't have started in Iraq. Or could it have? Could those two plans have become intertwined?