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disinformation: grant morrison transcript
by Richard Metzger/Transcribed by Loz of Barbelith.com - November 10, 2002
Richard Metzger
(Grins.)

What was the next day like?

Grant Morrison

The next day was the oddest thing. I was buzzing, I wrote like 200 pages in a notebook to try and get it down. And then tries to explicate it for the next six years.

(Laughs.)

And now you know I can just dismiss it.

Richard Metzger

Now you can turn it in to a big Hollywood film and make a couple of million dollars.

Grant Morrison

Well hopefully!

(Commercial break.)

Richard Metzger

For people who haven't read the series, out there in TV land, how would you describe it?

Grant Morrison

Well, the plot-line is fairly labyrinthine and baroque but basically what we have is the James Bonds of the counterculture, these super-cool - five super-cool terrorist, anarchist, occultists who operate in a cell as part of a vast organisation which may or may not exist called The Invisibles which has existed since the dawn of time to fight against tyranny and oppression and slavery and everything that's supposed to be bad in the world.

So, initially we set up this kind of conflict, the classic kind of good and evil or freedom versus slavery conflict, the Invisibles were on the side of love, laughs and libido basically! And the bad guys are on the side of George Bush and Margaret Thatcher and everyone that tries to run our lives and tell us what to do.

And the Invisibles cell attempts recruit this young kid from Liverpool, a very violent punk, he's not even a punk, he doesn't call himself a punk, he's just a kid off of the streets of Liverpool who takes Ecstasy and steals cars and does that sort of thing but happens to be or is believed to be the Buddha of the future, the technological Buddha of the 21st century. And they have to recruit him but before the other side recruit him and use him to hasten the apocalypse.

And that was our plot line and through that, you know, there were lots of other things come in to it. There's time-travel, things go on - the whole thing looks at time like an object that connects all the characters through time. We've got previous Invisibles groups in 1924 who do things which connect and vibrate through the ether which turn out to be important in the present day or things that go backwards through time so the whole thing kind of exists in its own little continuum which has it's own beginning and end but it's meant to intersect with the real world and there are parts of real things which happened which go in to the comic like the death of Diana or like the fact that surveillance cameras were getting ahold of Britain, everything tied in so beautifully to the dynamic of it but ultimately what happens in the comic is that that plotline and that setup is subjected to certain rigorous destruction that something else emerges by the end of it which I don't want to say too much to people who haven't read it yet but it is - we've taken the classic good and evil conflict or anarchy v repression and tried to resolve it in to something at the end so we've set up this pretty high concept

(He says over a picture of Fanny urinating from series 3.)

but I think the philosophy's more important than the plot in the book.

Disinfo.con 2000

(Onscreen Caption/Slide: 'Magick in Theory and Practice', then in handwriting: 'I Will Get what I want' with the vowels and repeated letters crossed out.)

Grant Morrison
(Takes a swig from his cup and manages to spill half of it down his front)

Punk rock dude! This is a Donna Karan suit, fuck it!

(Audience laugh)

So leading on from these ridiculous, where do you go from that? I found out that if you do these things which you are told by Aleister Crowley, by Wilson, by all these people that we read, by all these people that we've been consuming but we don't do it, if you actually do what they say, things happen.

Things occur exactly as it's described and we can all do it.

So I decided to put this to use in the comic book I was doing, this thing called The Invisibles, and the idea was to kind of

(Pauses.)

get all this down on paper and somehow look at it, not to accept it as reality, to accept it as purely this is a part of human experience. It's a part of human experience which has been described to us for thousands and thousands of years but for the last two hundred has been hidden and made occult, for some reason which I don't understand but seems to have to do with the Industrial Revolution and corporate culture.

So these things happen, magic works. And when I started doing the comic I found you could actually make magic happen by writing things and changing the operating system of the universe. It works! And I'm here to tell you to try it when you go home tonight because it fucking works and what happens if we all do it, everyone in this room decides to take control of reality, I'm talking about reality, I'm talking about quantum physics, I'm talking about taking control of things from the quantum level up, from the molecular level up and it works. This magic works.

So I'll tell you something you can do while we're here. One of the best techniques and one of the easiest techniques to prove this thing works is to practice sigil magic. First thing you do, write down a desire, make it something easy, that is likely to happen, something possible rather than say 'I'm gonna be King of the Moon' which you may want to be as we all do but it's kinda hard to be King of the Moon you've got to get a rocket and go up there, so pick something easy. If you want to sigilize for a lottery win make sure you buy a ticket or else it won't work. So these are the conditions within the material universe that we live in.

One of the things we're actually dealing with is some - as I say, some kind of operating system that can be hacked using words. And words seem to be the binding agent for this thing, whatever it is.

 
 

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